At the CES press conference in January and at their booth, Samsung made no reference to these adjustments being available in production sets. That they've gone the extra mile to develop and implement them is no small deal at all. Do begin your 3D viewing with these adjustments (3D View Point, Depth, 3D Optimize) in their factory default positions, and then, as you become accustomed to the 3D effect, try to adjust them individually to see if any changes make the 3D effects better (or worse) for you.
3D Blu-ray Evaluation: Monsters vs Aliens
Detail
As the 3D process involves either/or left/right eye switching via the active 3D glasses, it’s difficult to achieve the same sense of visual sharpness that a comparable 2D presentation provides, but as the 8000 is a 1080p display, you’ll be getting all of the detail possible.
Color
With the set’s automatic 3D color adjustment, which shifts the white balance to match that of 2D viewing, the color quality is essentially the same for 2D and 3D viewing. As with other premium Samsung sets of late, the color accuracy (as measured by the color analyzer) is just about as good as it gets, with both the primary and secondary color points very closely matching the HD color standard.
Blacks
Aided no doubt by the modulated LED edge lighting, which Samsung calls Precision Dimming, fades to black are just that—completely and totally black. Unless you’re off to the side that is, where (as is typical with LCD flat panel sets), the blacks aren’t black, but rather a blue-tinged dark gray.
Shadow Detail
As the 3D glasses provide a substantial amount of overall brightness attenuation, the automatic 3D brightening feature helps preserve shadow detail when viewing 3D compared to 2D. In 2D mode, the set provides extremely good shadow detail, on par with top performing plasma sets and better than many other LCD/LED flat panels out there.
Artifacts/Noise
None noted.
Broadcast HDTV Evaluation: NBA Basketball (ESPN) (using 2D-3D conversion function)
Compared to regular 2D viewing, the Samsung’s 2D-3D function does add some 3D effect, but not as much as one would experience with a 3D-originated program. But, over the course of the game, there were numerous times where the 3D effect definitely added to the action (such as overhead camera shots where players leapt up and dunked the ball into the basket), and—this is very important—at no time did the 3D effect prove to be undesirable.
Detail
The various on-screen graphics during the game came across as sharp and crisp, and weren’t out of focus, indicating some rather smart processing going on with the Samsung’s 2D-to-3D conversion algorithm.
Color
The default (50) color setting is a tad on the high side, providing extra skin tone emphasis. Turning it down a few notches sets things right.
Blacks
When viewed on axis, the blacks are first rate, but fade somewhat going off axis. If the set is to be wall-mounted, an adjustable tilting mount that allows precision aiming toward the primary viewing position is the way to go (and is really a must for any wall-mounted LCD flat panel HDTV).
Shadow Detail
Wide shots from the floor showed the interior of Staples Center very well, all the way up to the nosebleed seats near the roof, with no evidence of black crush or loss of shadow detail.
Artifacts/Noise
None noted.
With the exception of their forthcoming 9000 series LED edgelit LCD models (and their new 3D plasma sets), it’s hard to imagine how Samsung can top themselves, as the new 3D-capable 8000 is as good as its predecessor in all key respects, and includes the wonderful 2D-3D real-time conversion function. As real 3D content availability will be obviously limited for the next year or two, and may very well never be as widespread as HDTV is now, having the ability to provide a satisfactory 3D experience with any 2D program sets this 3DTV apart from the competition.
Comments
1. I don't know anyone who stays glued in front of the tv and doesn't multitask or otherwise move around. This alone will render 3D to a "cute, but who needs it" status. For example, you can't knit (like my wife), read or even grab a snack with 3D glasses on.
2. Someone will come up with an add on box that allows 120/240 Hz refresh LCDs or plasma to alternate frames wit shifted content and send a signal to blinker glasses for a 3D experience. This was done years ago with video games. I had one and grew tired of it in about 2 weeks.
3. The loss in brightness and detail is not worth the 3D addition. A really good high contrast picture provides 3D type information anyway.
Why don't the gurus that come up with these advances add things that would be potentially useful such as built in DVRs (for off air HD sets) or devices to interface with a home server?
Richard, I suspect a lot of movie buffs stay glued to the screen. Also, there are certain events in sports that I really stay engaged with. Just my $0.02 worth
Richard, I suspect a lot of movie buffs stay glued to the screen. Also, there are certain events in sports that I really stay engaged with. Just my $0.02 worth
Richard - Sorry you are so negative -
I do/have done sports (scuba diving, skiing, surfing, endurance cycle racing) but I have never enjoyed watching any sort of team sports on TV. However, since getting the new Samsung 8000 set I upgraded (with great aggrivation and time - since 3-D is so new) my Comcast set top box so I can receive ESPN 3-D - My son-in-law will enjoy the game and the 3-D and I'll just enjoy the 3-D.
If you don't like something - please don't buy it - My experience with the 8000 series has been fantastic - The above mentioned son-in-law and wife watched a movie and then a 3-D demo and stated it was the best toy I had ever purchased in the last 20 years.
I wish you the best
jn
Always the question in this pursuit. Having been on the bleeding edge of DVD-Audio and other AV "next big things", I wonder if it is time to pull the trigger. I have been persuading myself that my Mitsubishi DLP is god enough for now- but I know I will have to make a commitment eventually. I would truly appreciate a review of the Samsung Plasma equivalent set when it arrives; my watching area is designed to be low light.
Why does Samsung appear to have abandoned their true backlit LED 9000 model, with the new 9000 series being side-lit? Surely this is a major step backward? It now starts me to look elsewhere such as Sony, LG or Toshiba as they have back-lit displays, which is disappointing, as Sumsung seemed to be the leader in so many different ways.
I fear the fake 3D hype will be taking over all sides of the industry, including movie producers. Most people don't seem to realize what stereo optics is all about...it is NOT about shifting an image 2.5" and calling it a day. There is MORE DATA in 3D and it cannot be simulated. It isn't even complicated to explain.
For example, if you are having a conversation with someone, your right eye sees details of their right ear that your left eye cannot, and vice-a-versa. Furthermore, a single lens will be missing detail of both ears.
Trying to simulate this will simply result in a flat picture of someone's face, placed at whatever fake "distance" from the viewer the producer wants.
Very interesting. I was curious how quickly this technology appeared ready for the mass market. So these early sets are simulating? Is this like upconverting a std. DVD by interpolating data?
Robert,
It is very important to note that, while the 8000-series Samsung sets can do 2D-to-3D upconversion (bear in mind that this is a switch selectable feature), they **also** can play real 3D content (i.e., Blu-ray material originally captured in 3D). So, the set is not always "simulating" 3D.
The point is that the set can play true 3D content in the here and now, but it also provides a mechanism that allows you to enjoy 2D content that is processed in real-time for 3D viewing. The choice is yours.
Best,
Chris Martens
Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision
Charles,
I think you're absolutely right that there are some (perhaps many?) misconceptions about stereo optics, 3D viewing, etc.
For an interesting expansion on this discussion, you may want to take a look at David Birch-Jones' "Special TPV Report: Hollywood Post Alliance Technology Retreat 2010", which covered, in part, a presentation that focused on issues and challenges surrounding 3D viewing.
Here's the link: http://www.avguide.com/blog/special-tpv-report-hollywood-post-alliance-t...
Best,
Chris Martens
Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision
Chris, thanks for that link. Exciting times!
I have always been an early adopter:
Retired from the IT rat race my wife and I purchased a Daweoo 42" EDTV model over 6 years ago. At the time it was the best quality (from then DVD) that we had ever seen. We watched 15 to 20 movies a month - Then we got tired of it - Netflix disks would sit for six months to a year before we returned them. We found ourselves spending a lot of time sitting on the bed watching a 37" Hdtv.
Last month my wife turned to me and said (guys - don't be jealous) why don't we upgrade our media room to "state of the art". So being the good husband I immediately started buying. The monitor end of this, after many weeks of research, was the Samsung 8000 series (55") LCD-LED". (I won't bore you with speakers or AV receivers at this point.) We couldn't be happier - the limited 3-d content is fantastic - the Bluray and wifi HD from Netflix are also astonishing.
In my retirement years I do art photography for shows and galleries - so I am used to looking for good color and resolution. This set is as good or better than when I couple a 5D Mark II to a 500 f 4.0 L series lens. (Sorry if non-photo types are left out here ).
Bottom line - It is well worth looking into.
All the best,
Nickerjo,
leaningpalmstudio.com