Panasonic VIERA TC-P50GT25 Plasma 3DTV (TPV 95)

This Panasonic offer Internet apps, THX certification (2D content only) and good connectivity.

When in THX mode, a number of picture adjustments are grayed (locked) out. We suggest going with the THX mode first, which produces a first-rate picture (albeit only after the color level is cranked down), and then after a while, the more adventurous can choose the Custom setting, which opens up all the other picture adjustment choices, where they’ll be free to twiddle and tweak to gauge the effects (good or bad) of the other adjustment modes (the Custom setting also carries over the main settings from the THX mode).


PERFORMANCE

3D Blu-ray Evaluation: Coraline

Detail

This animated film makes good use of the 3D effect, with very good depth manipulation, while at the same time avoiding gimmicky 3D over-use. While the 3D glasses attenuate the picture brightness somewhat, when the set switches to 3D mode the overall picture brightness is bumped up to compensate. The combo of the GT25 plasma and the companion Panasonic 3D eyewear provided a very smooth, flicker-free effect, with 3D imaging that’s notably superior to the typical 3D movie theater experience (which almost always use passive, polarized 3D eyewear that can’t provide the level of left/right stereoscopic separation that active shutter 3D systems offer).

Color

Usually with THX certified displays the default main picture settings are usually right where they should be, or at least very close. The GT25’s color saturation is an exception, as at the default setting the set produced a picture that was way too color-rich (over saturated). Turning the color down by a goodly amount put things to right. As far as color accuracy is concerned, the Panasonic delivered a virtually perfect score on the color gamut measurement test (one of the key criteria for obtaining THX certification). While this Panasonic doesn’t have a THX picture mode for 3D, the automatically substituted Cinema mode retains the same key picture settings, and looks very good indeed (the brightness is automatically bumped up to counter the eyewear’s light attenuation).

Blacks

As with all of the 2D content I viewed, the Panasonic delivered excellent blacks in 3D mode. Coraline has images that emphasize black details in abundance as a number of the doll-like characters feature black buttons for eyes, which are indeed jet black. Happily, rendering jet-black details is a strength of plasma sets in general and the GT25 in particular.

Shadow Detail

Compared to LCD set, which often crush dark grays into black, the GT25 exhibited no such fault, which isn’t surprising since this is another area where plasma usually excels. In a scene where the titular character is locked in a basement dungeon of sorts, the dark gray shadow images around her are clearly visible.

Artifacts/Noise

None noted, although if one sits too close to the screen, one may notice a randomized moving dark and lighter pixel effect on full screen solid colors, which is a method of modulating (dithering) the saturation of colors at very low picture levels, a technique found on some other plasma sets. It was especially noticeable with a companion Panasonic 3D Blu-ray player’s dim blue splash screen. At a normal viewing distance, it’s invisible, and is there to prevent color banding, an aberration which would be quite noticeable and distracting.

 

Broadcast HDTV Evaluation: Mad Men (AMC via Dish Network)

Detail

Right from the opening credits, the GT25 delivered a wonderfully crisp and sharp picture. Curiously, the 1:1 mode, which provides true 1920 x 1080 resolution without overscan, is called Full. There’s another screen sizing choice called Just, but unlike some other sets (like some Samsung models, which offer a 1:1 mode called Just Scan), this mode isn’t true 1:1 as it has some overscan.

 Color

Here again, the GT25’s default color saturation is way over the top, giving the characters an overly tanned look that is completely out of place. When turned down (the 35 setting worked best, as opposed to the default 50 setting), the color quality improves tremendously, restoring believability to this wonderfully colorful series. Here, less is definitely more.

 Blacks

The animated title sequence has a black outline of the show’s Dan Draper character tumbling down the side of an office building and is gorgeously inky black, as you would expect from a highly evolved plasma such as the GT25.

Comments

amarquez@imp.mx -- Wed, 10/20/2010 - 18:01

Al seems OK with this review.. until one remembers the scandal over the collective demand ("class-Action") against Panasonic because of their use of firmware to REDUCE the initial contrast over a period of time, that made those sets lose their magnificent blacks after some time, to be able to meet some other specs (maybe durability?). Until this subject is not fully resolved, I will NOT purchase ANY of their sets.

TD160 -- Mon, 11/08/2010 - 08:43

Sorry but YOU are the scandal not Panasonic.

amarquez@imp.mx -- Mon, 11/08/2010 - 14:35

Maybe YOU are not informed at all...

IF you want to know, see http://www.golombhonik.com/news/detail.php?ID=1025, or simply GOOGLE Panasonic Viera Class Action...
The description contained in the site's perfectly explains THE problem; I'll post some paragraphs for the benefit of the readers who CARE to be informed before planning to purchase a Viera Plasma. (I have put my purchase on hold until this matter is properly discussed and solved. I don't consider my question to be scandalous, it is still very easy for a lazy electronics designer to try to "solve" a problem trough firmware manipulation).

"Panasonic Plasmas Fading to Black?

Law360, New York (March 03, 2010) -- On Feb. 12, 2010, a class action was filed in New Jersey against Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company and Panasonic Corporation, alleging that Panasonic's "Viera" plasma televisions manufactured in 2008 and 2009 do not retain the same image quality as advertised.

The plaintiffs, a national class of Panasonic "Viera" plasma television owners, are represented by Alabama resident Shane Hughes.

The plaintiffs claim that the televisions' color detail, depth and tone degrade significantly after less than 400 hours of use. Panasonic markets its Viera plasma televisions as having industry-leading black levels and contrast ratios, which the complaint alleges is false... Interestingly, in response to an inquiry from news outlet Cnet.com based on reports from affected users, Panasonic issued a statement confirming that it knew about this problem before it marketed and sold the televisions... The plaintiff in the Panasonic class action used an X-rite Eye One Display LT calibration meter and Color HCFR calibration software to determine that the black levels and contrasts ratios on his television had degraded significantly."

(end of quotation)

For me it is clear that something is amiss. Sorry if I disturbed your faith (blind) in Panasonic; it would not be the only case where a manufacturer tries to abuse on a consumer, and some informed consumer bites them back. And for your information, a couple of honest vendors in my city have also noticed this problem on their showroom Viera displays... Could it be that the problem is very real, or why should they lie?

Your nickname "TD-160" refers to an old Thorens Turntable, that was of superb quality for its time... and thus corresponds to a discerning person, so I don't see why you doubt about the Panasonic subject. If you have more information about the failing contrast ratio of the Panasonics, please share it.

TD160 -- Tue, 11/09/2010 - 01:24

Why is it, that my mom has a Panasonic Viera TH-50PZ700A full HD plasma that is now 3yrs old and the picture looks as good as the day she picked it up from Myer Fremantle Australia, along with BMB-BD35 Blu-ray player that, unlike some brands keep working after firmware updates ?

Why is this not a problem in Australia or the UK ?

Since the 1980's I have found that Panasonic products are very well made and last for many years, like my TD160 & TD125 Thorens !

I have a Panasonic DMR-BW500 Blu-ray disk recorder with twin HD tuners 500gb hard disk, USB &SDHC input, that is now 2 years old conected to a Yamaha RX-V863 AVR with Monitor audio Speakers and Benq W5000 dlp Full HD projector.

BTW the Panasonic microwave that my mom got in 1989 stoped working a few weeks ago, what brand do you think she got again ?

Trust you eyes and ears and the history of a company products, not the BULLDUST you read on the net.

Good day to you mate.

amarquez@imp.mx -- Tue, 11/09/2010 - 01:52

Your post reflects a strong brand loyalty as a result of your satisfactory previous experience, and that is commendable sometimes, but not always. Take any industry recent designs and see for yourself, take Chevrolet or General Motors in the USA as an example: cars designed and made by them were of good quality and durability in the 80's and 90's, but just check their misses with recent desingns and design flaws. You cannot say any longer that a company known for their good products is still a recommended one.
I too have and have had several Panasonic items, all of good to very-good quality. BUT the Vieras from some models in 2008 and 2009 have been reported to lose their initial outstanding black levels after a while.
These things are related to "modern" devices that use a lot of software embedded in the IC's called "Firmware".
Previous designs that used much less "firmware" were relatively free of this kind of quirks.

I too was skeptical about firmware performing diabolical tasks; until I confirmed several Lap-Top batteries being still good (I've opened and checked their indivudual Lithium Ion cells to be still within more than 95% of their capacity, and perfectly capable of full recharges... but the damn Lap-top computer kept displaying messages about the "battery is going to be empty in 5 minutes or so...) Believe it or not: firmware can be easily used to lie to the consumer, which believes his battery is bad and rushes to the store to buy an expensive, proprietary new one. It appears that the "intelligent chips" inside the Lap-Top Battery are responsible for signaling the portable computer that misteriously, the battery is no longer good! It can be based on number of charge-discharge-recharge cycles, or calendar days passed, or any other pretext, even when all and everyone of the Li-Ion cells measures and test perfectly OK, but the Lap-Top refuses to remain "on" and displays the message ordering the user to connect the charger immediately!
Why can't firmware be used to reduce the contrast of a Plasma set after 400 or so hours? Why did Panasonic accept the lowering contrast levels were part of the design? Have you read the full text of the C-NET discovery? Have you read the several "Class-Action Suites" placed against Panasonic? They are still available to be read and Panasonic has not denied them.
Until then, lets be sanely skeptical of the manufacturer present day design practices. It is TOO easy to manipulate firmware to do anything, including cheating on the consumers. Remember that designs from the past years could be very good ones, but as older designers (and managers) leave the company, quality and reliability can easily fall down a lot. Incidentally, most Blu-ray players and Microwave Ovens are designed and built in totally different plants from the ones that assemble Plasma Displays... Frecuently a given "brandname" sells equipment made by entirely different assemblers, sometimes a single factory supplies a given product to several manufacturers, which only provide a given "name" to the product; therefore it is virtually impossible to say that every "Panasonic" product was really designed, produced and assembled by themselves. Another thing to consider is that models differ in more ways than just on cosmetic appearance: Models destined to be sold in Japan tend to have more features than those intended for american consumers (my bought in Japan Sharp Minidisc portable recorder made many years ago had SEVERAL extra features that were NOT available in the version sold in the USA).
Best Regards.

TD160 -- Tue, 11/09/2010 - 03:21

OK sorry but:

Why is this not a problem in Australia or the UK ? why is my moms not doing this or mine or my frends ?

How can it be "less black" as over time as any lamp or plasma light cell gets "darker" NOT "lighter" over time?

What TV do you use ?, is it LCD tv with cardboard cutouts and fake tans ?

My Benq projector that I use for all my HDTV and movie viewing (7hrs per day) lamp WILL get "darker" over time so I must adjust light & contrast when I notice change in the picture, I do not need to file "Class-Action Suite" for this.

I have a few belt drive turntables, the belt will need changing over time as belt will affect speed, I do not think I need to have a "Class-Action Suite" to sue Thorens for this.

LOL, all the Best.

amarquez@imp.mx -- Thu, 11/11/2010 - 19:32

Well, to answer your question would require a quite extense explanation, not really suited to this forum format... I suggest some websites related to the basics of plasma display like the entries at Wikipedia, and then some more specialized sites. Black deepness is not easy to achieve, and certainly is one of the first things affected as the display ages. Now, my original question was about latest news on the subject of "changing" (or more specifically:Worsening) of the quality of the blacks rendition by that particular brand.
It is a very subjective matter trying to decide which brandname "is" the "best" plasma... but talking to a lot of people that sell, buy and adjust those displays, one gets the idea (that cannot be an "absolute" truth) that Pioneer made the better displays until leaving the market some time ago. Then, the "general" consensus now is that Panasonic is the sucessor to that "category"... But as it has happened many times in the history of electronic manufacturers, companies sometimes have the nasty habit of pushing it too far, and some products have been of LOWER performance that previous products fronm a given manufacturer. Take Sony for an example: Back in the 80's, their best CRT displays were considered "tops" by many consumers, probably peaking with the "Kirara-Basso" models. But newer models like the "Wega" line were just too flashy; apparent resolution was pushed too far by electronic manipulation and some artifacts appeared. Object image edges were overly sharp but with a bright thin line that looked worse, not better, for example.

As I already said in my previous post: different markets have slightly different models and features. the alleged Viera diminishing contrast is supossedly happening in models destined to USA in the 2008 and 2009 years, but the Firmware manipulation could be implemented in others years models.

I still use an old, large CRT TV 35" from TOSHIBA and an even older 29" Sony Black-Trinitron that both have been carefully calibrated and, in my humble opinion, display much better color pallette and contrast and moving scenes that ANY newer Plasma or LCD display; even when resolution is not as high; but overall, their performance is still commendable.

My old Thorens TD-160 Super is equipped with a very good combination of now discontinued "Grace" G-747-II tonearm and F9E cartridge, with both std. and Ruby stylus. The good old Thorens now has quite a few modifications, that place it well above a lot of newer and much more expensive turntables... Its solid no-frills engineering only needed a few improvements to acquire a top class performance. And there are several additional mods that could improve it a little more!

My dream was to assemble and building a good quality Video System with a Plasma and Blu-ray, a good DIY sound system and some care in installing it in a dedicated room. I was esthusiasted towards a Panasonic Plasma, and then a vendor in my city pointed out the apparent flaw, then I researched internet and found several reports on diminishing contrast and disappearing blacks; several people warned me, so I started asking the forum readers if someone had any news on this.
I hope you have some time to read in detail and understand that in a Plasma display, not only brightness tends to diminish with time, but deep black too... specially if the driving circuitry "plays" with the original adjustments.
Good Luck.

Zorq -- Wed, 12/22/2010 - 01:37

What probably happened: there is a natural degradation of the phosphor over time; everyone must compensate somehow; Panasonic overdid the compensation in 2009 (a bug), but it's done correctly in 2010 models. But they never admitted to an error.
See http://www.hippotechsolutions.com/?p=1853

Now I happen to have a Panasonic plasma from 2009, and the change is not really noticeable (perhaps I got used with it?)

ALEX23 -- Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:17

How did you get that information ? Amazing !?

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