
Not long ago my colleague Robert Greene posed himself a question, “Why are people reluctant to buy expensive turntables?” Then he shared his thoughts in an e-mail with Robert Harley, Jonathan Valin, and myself. Recalling a visit to my place to hear a brand new Acoustic Research XA turntable—an almost fifty year old design that sold for the princely sum of $87 in 1968—I had found on eBay, he told RH and JV,
We sat down to listen and what came out? Glorious music in every sense including the strictly sonic. The AR arm and turntable [with Shure V15 VxMR] were in no way embarrassed by being played through such a superlative set of electronics and speakers [McIntosh C46/MC402, Quad ESL 2805] and in such a nice room acoustically. The result was truly wonderful—pure, warm, low distortion, naturally balanced sound indeed, music essentially as it really is . . . . [If] one had listened to this system without knowing what the turntable/arm used was, one would have found rather little to complain about. I think no one would have said, wonderful speakers and electronics, but what on earth is wrong with the turntable. This would just not have happened. Of course, in direct comparison to other setups, one would have noticed differences and on occasion perhaps improvements, but on its own the playback was very satisfying indeed.
REG’s answer to his own question? Because “vinyl is a technology that works so well by nature that it sounds wonderful even in simple forms . . . the inexpensive stuff is just too good!” (Is a cliché here reversed—the very good now the enemy of the excellent?)
I thought about REG’s e-mail as I began this review of Marantz’s new SA8004, a superb-sounding two channel SACD and CD player priced at $999. It seems to me that after more than a quarter century compact disc technology has long since reached the point that vinyl itself did a few decades ago. I am not referring to the longstanding debate whether digital is “as good as vinyl”—that’s an argument I don’t engage any more (I just look for another bar). What I mean, rather, is that digital technology has advanced such that, like vinyl, it just works, reliably, dependably, predictably. Some of the strongest evidence for this is the proliferation of really good moderately and lower priced compact disc players TAS has reviewed the past several years. Surely even vinyl zealots would have to admit that it has been a very long time since even an inexpensive player from a reputable manufacturer has exhibited anything approaching the sonic nasties of early digital. And if the presence of excellent sounding modestly priced vinyl gear makes the extremely expensive stuff a cautious proposition in these economically parlous times, how much more this is true of digital, where last year’s state of the art is almost certain to be bested by next year’s moderately priced gear.
I knew there was something special about this new Marantz when I unboxed it. Many inexpensive components feel so light and cheaply made that if differently shaped they could easily serve as Frisbees. Not so the 8004. While no back breaker, it weighs in at a substantial seventeen pounds and looks impressive to boot. It’s obvious someone was paying attention to controlling chassis vibration and resonance. (I know that weight as such and a quality “feel” are at best imperfect indicators as to how good a component will sound; but I’ve never cared for equipment that looks or feels cheap, even if it sounds great, and there’s enough good sounding budget priced gear around to prove that inexpensive doesn’t necessarily have to equate to chintzy.)
Setup’s a matter of plug (a generic pair of interconnects is provided, though I used Kimber Select), play, and start listening, which I did, following a 24 hour break in with Reference Recordings’s Test & Burn In CD.
First up was a new Christmas release from the Anonymous Four, The Cherry Tree Carol [HMUSA, SACD]. A signature characteristic of recordings by the producer Robina Young and her engineer Brad Michel is how ideally they always manage to mediate focus and ambience. The four women are arrayed across the front, spread not too far apart and somewhat closely miked. Yet this is not a dry-sounding recording; indeed, a nice ambience is captured to create the illusion of singers performing in a recognizable space. There is nothing sonically “demanding” here except that any edginess or lack of midrange purity and naturalness will be instantly revealed as roughness or peakiness, while top end constriction will exact a penalty in reduced atmosphere. This is also an exceedingly smooth recording in every respect, the four voices blending, separating, blending again like gossamer threads. But it should not sound warm as such, instead a bit cool, even austere, though the reverberation has a satisfying decay. While any resonant acoustic will obscure articulation of the lyrics somewhat, the microphones are proximate enough that the words remain very intelligible, especially during solo passages (e.g., the lyrics of the title carol can be totally understood without recourse to the booklet).
Comments
Your high praise seems centered on SACD playback so I can see why you've chosen to buy the review sample. But I am unclear whether you feel the same way about its CD playback or whether you plan to use it as a transport using the Benchmark as the DAC?
JLee: I didn't mean for the review to imply that it does only SACD well, though I can understand how you might think so. But note that I said as regards the Legacy version of King of Blue (which is not SACD) that same virtues apply. I do use the Benchmark DAC1--it's staple of my setup--but for this review I exclusively used the 8004 and it does extremely well with Redbook CD, well enough, indeed, that I felt no deprivation whatsoever not using the Benchmark. In sum, this is one superb player with both Redbook and SACD.
Hi, paul
My Marantz CD-67 MarkII SE was out of order after 13 yrs of usage. After making some research and reading this review, I am think of replace it with Marantz sacd8004. My integrate amp is NAD C320BEE and my speaker is Mission bookshelf 760 which has been for almost 20 yrs. I wonder if Marantz sacd8004 is a good match for my system or I should choose a less expensive one? Any recommendation? Thanks!
JLee: I've reread my review and I think it's even clearer that I did not limit myself to SACD playback. The recordings of the Bach Cello suites, the Solti Ring Cycle, and Bernstein's Hindemith symphony are all standard CD, not SACD, not to mention of course the Legacy Kind of Blue. Rest assured, the 8004's Redbook is fully up to the standard of its SACD performance. I wouldn't have bought it for myself otherwise.
Thanks. I've been waiting for Sony's SACD player (SCD-XA5400ES) to become available (back ordered for at least 4-6 months now). It costs $1500 but based on your experience, I may punt and go with the Marantz. If it's good enough for a TAS reviewer...
My dealer offered me a good deal on the Marantz SA15S2 so I ordered one. The parts and specs were very similar so I basically ordered one based on your review. I did not have the option of auditioning the SA8004 or SA15S2. Marantz has been receiving strong reviews for their SACD/CD players since the SA-1 but your review cemented in my mind the belief that Marantz is truly "back" as a high-end brand. Thanks!
I think you've made a good decision, JLee. I will tell you that one reason I bought the Marantz is that my Sony XA3000 has been back for repair twice because it will not play SACDs!!! I'm just getting tired of returning it. It'll be a long time before I consider another Sony SACD player!
Paul,
I am very interested in this unit.
My order of priority for its functions are as follows:
1. DAC
2. iPod/iPhone Digital Dock
3. CD Player
4. SACD Player
5. Headphone Amp
Did you test the unit as a DAC ? I am wondering how it would compare to the usual suspects - PS Audio DLIII, Benchmark, etc. ? I am really interested if the DAC mode would be a step up from my DacMagic. If so, then this looks to be the best deal going. I subscribe to the MOG service (best way to spend 10 USD per month) and they allow downloads to the iPhone for off-line playback at 320k bit rate. I would love to see how the Marantz DAC would decode the (relatively) high-quality MP3 files.
Actually, from my perspective I potentially see the CD/SACD player as the "freebies" to me for my intende purposes.
Thanks for any feedback you could provide
Roku M1000 (Apple Lossless) => Musical Fidelity M1 DAC => Pioneer Elite SX-A6-J => KEF xQ10
PS Audio Duet + PS Audio AC3/5
Apogee Wyde Eye (S/PDIF) + DH Labs Silver Sonic (Analog RCA) + AudioArt SC-5 (Speake
BWilson 1: I have to apologize that I can't answer your question in great detail because thus far I am not that much into online downloading and all the rest. Suffice to say that I downloaded some files, transferred them to a disc and also to a USB flashdrive and to my iPod: they all worked fine, though some kinds of files don't. However, if you go to the Marantz website for the SA8004 it allows you to download the manual, which contains many pages on using ipods, phones, computers, downloads, etc., that should answer all your questions, or, at least, most of them. As noted, I was chiefly interested in this product for its SACD and CD capabilities, especially at the price, and it certainly passes with flying colors (indeed, for me it's the best value I've run into in quite awhile).
Picked up my Marantz SA15S2 ($1999) today. Initial impressions: surprisingly transparent, dynamic, natural and musical. I'm actually wondering if it's better than the Esoteric X-05 I have upstairs! Surprised. Very surprised. Very very surprised.
Glad you're enjoying it, JLee, though do wonder why you are surpised that it should be so dynamic, natural, and musical. The reality is that most competently designed electronics by reputable manufacturers are very, very good these days--as my colleague REG is fond of pointing out. Indeed, as I have written in the past, when reviewing some stratospherically priced products, the performance level of reasonably priced electronics is so high and has been these last several years, that the decision to buy extremely expensive ones represents at least as much a lifestyle choice as the pursuit of audio excellence. Consider the Benchmark DACs--these are nearly perfect devices from the standpoint of what going in matching what's coming out or digital components by Cambridge, which Robert Harley has reviewed. I would be very interested indeed in comparisons to your Esoteric upstairs, especially if you go through the effort of making the comparisons truly blind--that is, having someone assist you so that you do not know what you're listening to. Better still, try to find an SA8004 and put that in the mix. You may find yourself surprised into insensibility!
For starters, the build quality of this $2k SACD/CD player surpasses that of my Esoteric, itself no slouch in build quality. More importantly, this Marantz offers natural timbres and a sense of flow and continuity that gave me vivid flashbacks/memories of my orchestral days, something I haven't experienced with reproduced music since, oh, 1980 when I use to listen to LPs. This SACD/CD player does something fundamentally very right. Thanks again Paul!
My pleasure: I continue to maintain that these days there has never been so much performance available per dollar at any time audio history, and you don't have to spend that many dollars to get some of the best of it!
I must confess that given its moderate price ("out of my price range" as JV likes to say) I was not expecting this. I for one must agree with you and REG. I feel robbed that I endured 25 years of CD "music." If I knew then what I know now, I would have stayed with LPs and switched over to optical discs in 2010! I'm in no hurry to switch over to downloads...
Nor am I--I still like the tactile feel of something in my hand and going to the shelf and browsing through my holdings. But I am afraid downloads are the wave of the future. Lower priced CD players are selling but my friends in retail tell me nobody's buying players above a few grand (and why on earth would you need to anyhow!).
I finally got around to turning the digital out OFF and found this made an unexpectedly significant difference. This player has to be amongst my best hi-fi purchases ever.
never thought of this, JLee. I'll look to see if it's engaged on mine.
How do you turn the digital out OFF ?
How do you turn the digital out OFF ? Couldn't find it in the manual.
Jlee.....you building a collection of CD/SACD players? lol Enjoy! Do tell us how it compares with your X05
I only have two :-) I've had the Esoteric X-05 in my Levinson No. 383 integrated amp-Usher Audio Mini Two DMD 2 channel system for about 9 months now and, more recently, added the SA-15S2 to my Bryston pre-pro & amp-Definitive Technology Mythos ST multichannel/HT system. I have not done a direct comparison with the X-05 but my impression is that the Marantz is not quite as resolving as the X-05 but it is far more transparent, dynamic, and timbrally accurate than I would have expected for the price...and the build quality is as good if not better than the X-05. All told I agree with Paul: the Marantz is musically engaging and a great buy!
Do you still own SA-15S2 and if so have your impressions changed?
No. I've sold it and my Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD blu-ray player and replaced them with the Oppo BDP-95. The Marantz is not the most detailed SACD/CD player. The Oppo and Esoteric X-05 are both better in this regard. The Marantz, however, does not sound "digital" to an extent only bested by my current reference SACD/CD player (Mark Levinson No.512). As a result, it sounds more like real music than many higher resolution digital players. And the Marantz Reference components are built to ridiculous standards.
Just to add my $0.02. I bought an open box unit from Amazon after reading Paul's review in TAS. My Audio Research CD2 player, which I've had for more than a decade ,and has served me well, is beginning to have squeeky transport issues and I thought it an excuse to look into a replacement. Its been a long time since I changed anything in my AR CD2, Cary SLP98, Ayre V3, Aerial 7B system. I was skeptical that a $999 player (got mine for $780) could possibly compare with my - "state of the art class A" when I got it - Audio Research player. My cost/value/performance prejudice remains from back when I had a pocket full of cash and a faith in the cost more = work better school. Well...immediately after plugging the new SA8004 into my system I was aware that the Marantz unit was not as good as the AR, it was indeed better. Resolution, "musicality", what I call "thump and pluck" bass. I am thrilled. I have been running the player with the preamp off for ~48 hrs as of this afternoon, and between watching football and eating I have given a listen. THe player is smoothing out nicely. Thank you Mr Seydor for turning me on to this deal. Now.... what to do with an older Audio Research CD2 with a squeeky drawer??
Best regards from AZ! Jack
I can't tell you how delighted I am to find a $999 SACD/CD player generating this kind of talk on the website, and equally that my impressions seem to be shared by so many. My colleague Robert Greene is quite right when he says that whatever anyone may think about digital technology, it really has been made to work and work very, very well and consistently if implemented with any kind of care whatsoever, For myself, I continue to find the Marantz a splendidly involving, highly musical player that does not sound in the least "digital" as that word is pejoratively understood. Sneak preview: I have in for review the companion integrated amplifier for this unit. I haven't fired it up yet but I do have high expectations.
Paul,
If i use the analog out to connect to my Rotel preamp's 5.1 inputs for for SACD playback, should I use one of the digital out's for Redbook CD playback?