B&W 805 Diamond Loudspeaker (TAS 210)

Bower & Wilkins introduced the Matrix 801 speaker in 1979 followed by a line of speakers based on the 801 in 1986. B&W has continued to update the 800 range every few years ever since. As such, it may be one of the longest-running speaker lines around. The most recent 800 Series Diamond revision was unveiled at CES 2010 with the most obvious change to the range being the inclusion of B&W's new diamond tweeter in the smaller 804 and 805 models and the absence of the 801 model. While some consumers will welcome the availability of the new diamond tweeter across the range, others will miss the option of buying an updated version of the 801 with its single 15-inch woofer instead of the double-woofer arrangement of the 800 and 802.

There must have been compelling reasons for B&W to offer the new diamond tweeter in the two lower-priced models in the range. I am glad it did because consumers can now take advantage of B&W's diamond tweeter technology at price points that were not previously possible—yet more evidence of the increasing performance levels now available for considerably lower prices than just five years ago. The 805 Diamond costs $5000 per pair and is available in cherrywood, rosenut, and piano-black gloss finishes. The matching stand runs $700 per pair and is well worth considering. The FS-805 stand is a good sonic match to the speaker it is designed to support. The Dynaudio Stand4 also worked well, but I found that the 805 Diamond sounded a bit more fleshed out in the midrange with its own beautifully made stand.

Briefly, some of the improvements in the new 800 Diamond Series include four magnets in the tweeter instead of one, a new tweeter surround, Mundorf capacitors in the crossover, and specially designed oxygen-free speaker terminals and hookup wire. Please see Robert Harley's full description of the new tweeter and other technical differences between the former and new 800 Series in his review of the 802 Diamond in Issue 208. Retained design elements are the familiar tapered tweeter tube on top of a curved cabinet, Kevlar midrange drivers, the dimpled “flowport,” and interlocking matrix internal bracing. Cosmetically, new polished aluminum rings surround the drivers and port, a magnetic grille attachment method now makes for a classier front baffle appearance, and the former flat black ash finish is replaced by a gloss finish. I can understand how some users may not care for the shiny elements of the new look, but I quite liked the piano gloss black with aluminum rings of the review samples. The color scheme faintly reminded me of a black Jaguar sedan from the 1970s with a fresh coat of wax and polished chrome trim.

The 805 Diamond is a small, stand-mounted, two-way, vented-box speaker that weighs a fairly stout 26 pounds. The cabinet seems to be well damped. My unscientific test of running fingers on the various cabinet surfaces while playing steady heavy-beat music revealed relatively soft sympathetic vibrations. The top-mounted tweeter pod is further isolated from the main mid/woofer cabinet through a mounting bracket that includes a synthetic gel. This “floating” tweeter position also apparently allows for greater unimpeded dispersion and reduced cabinet-induced diffraction from the tweeter’s wavelaunch. The first-order network—optimized for simplicity—crosses over at 4kHz. Sensitivity is listed as 88dB (2.83V, 1m), the nominal impedance is eight ohms, and the stated frequency response is 49Hz–28kHz (-3dB). The 120-watt Hegel H100 integrated amplifier (Issue 206) had absolutely no trouble driving the 805. While it was a bit trickier to place in my room than my reference Dynaudio C1, maybe owing to the 805's seemingly wide dispersion characteristics, I did not have to struggle with positioning to achieve fantastic sound in my setup. I ended up placing them with the 805 Diamond tweeters 31” from the sidewalls, 65” from the back wall, about 7.5' apart, and toed in so that they directly faced my listening seat. I gave the review samples over 200 hours of break-in. The fit-n-finish, packaging materials, and owner's manual are all first-rate at this price level.

As for sound, the 805 Diamond covers its range so well that I found myself wondering “How does B&W do it?” more than a few times—especially at this price. Its level of resolution and coherence, coupled with respectable dynamic punch, are simply beyond any speaker near its price in my experience. The 805's resolution is the kind that honors music itself, not the so-called hi-fi-hyped kind that usually results in a stilted sound that wears poorly over time. The 805 just seems to allow the unique moods of various music to come through without telegraphing an obvious artifice in the process. It is almost disarming in its refined “rightness,” or, to put it another way, its overall performance is quickly recognizable as “fundamentally correct.” If I had to sum up the 805's ability to dig deeply into recordings, I would say “detail without pain.” This should not imply a relaxed soft focus at all—although one does relax into the music. Rather, a wealth of musical information is laid out for you without the nearly-ubiquitous side effects of artificial zip and dryness that accompany too many speakers whose designs attempt to provide high resolution in less complete way. It is not just about the diamond tweeter, either. The resolution extends seamlessly from the upper frequencies into the lower ones. The Kevlar mid/bass unit, crossover, and cabinet are all obviously working together with the tweeter to pull off the 805's compelling resolution.

Comments

redrdwolf@aol.com -- Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:12

I enjoyed the description of the updates B&W made to the speaker; however, how does the speaker compare to a live performance as a reference. How well does the 805 Diamond recreate the experience of being at a top tier performance hall? The danger of a comparison between products is the listener looks for "artifacts" that are either appealing or displeasing in one product compared to the other as opposed to reviewing the sound against a source such as a true live performance. I am anxious to hear your reply as I am in the market for a change.

RDawkins -- Fri, 02/04/2011 - 17:57

If you want to come close to the experience of a live performance at this price you are better advised to swallow your pride and look at the Cerwin Vega Robert E Greene reviewed a year or so ago. http://tinyurl.com/dkzpva
Short answer is you would need orders of magnitude more bass energy than a single 6.5" driver could dream of providing. You would be better off buying a more efficient satellite speaker designed for the task, such as the Geddes Nathan or, even better, the Abbey and 4 cheap subs (like Behringer 18s at $200 each, or 4 Goldwood 18s in their own simple H-baffles) spread around the room as Earl Geddes suggests and get outstanding bass and a surplus of it in terms of potential.
That is, if you truly want to replicate the live concert hall experience.
Piddling around with exotic 6.5" 2 ways is to waste your time and money and you will waste more money trying to find a great sounding amp with serious power - they are all expensive - but perhaps money and time are not valuable to you. The best you can accomplish this way is to have an expensive, exquisitely refined miniature representation or reality that will go to pieces in an ugly way whenever you feel the urge to bring the loudness up to natural levels (as a reward for your suffering the expenditure).

Headroom is worth more than you may realize in the reality wars.

hartrr@comcast.net -- Sun, 02/06/2011 - 11:12

Planar like for $5Gs? That's Magnepan 3.6-7 prices. Sorry, I don't get it.

rad beranek -- Tue, 02/08/2011 - 04:30

It might be "off topic", but the XXX,000 Speakers are out of the range. Did you see Steven Stone unboxing a Million dollar Shure Nirvana 3.0 earpods? What a sight... He got angry about my jab about that and abandoned any introspection in favor of a ad-hominem attack - something about a dubie I am using. I do not know what a dobie is and he does, Well, let's not talk about speakers anymore, the musical tastes should be kept private and well within the EARBUD world, Yes, this is, or could be, the breakthrough celebration of the musical solipsism . Jonathan Valin style exhibitionism, on the other hand, suggests, that we can shamelessly listen to 200K eqiupment using recordings of small groups only (his stated preferrence). Poor guy, writes a lot of medium fiction and Bertolt Brecht is one of his favourite composers.... Check this out on some of his pontifications on the East German (out-of-print) gloirous recordings.
Listen, y'all, you may like music, but watch out for snotty elitists who try to impress you with their grandiloquent writing style.
And, as the ultimate insult to "The Absolute Sound", please buy the "earbuds" and keep yourself to yourself. I know a few college juniors who failed an intellectual probe because of their musicophillia.
Thanks for your comments.

staxguy -- Thu, 04/07/2011 - 16:40

For those who think the new 805 diamond is a bit lightweight, the new 802 diamond offers, when paired with amps like the Classe CT-M600s, or McIntosh MC601's, very nice levels including bass registers, making one look for a sub.

The prices of the B&W range from the days of the Matrix 3 series, have about doubled, taking into account inflation and fluctuation of the US$ versus the British Pound (checked online).

I wouldn't quite call any members of the new 800 series "super speakers", athough they can indeed sound "whiz-bang", in the same market range as the Tidal T1, MBL 101 Extreme, etc. or the Magico Q5 for classical, perhaps?, but they do sound to my ears, relative "dream speakers" when compared to more mass-market speakers, and eminently suited for hearing detail on record in the studio.

I always liked the old B&W 800 series, matrix 3 variety (800, 801 and 805 especially), and the nice Silver Signature speakers that followed the matrix series 805's, which were quite a step up.

An interesting comparison for me would between the B&W Diamond 800's, the JM Lab / Focal Scala Utopias, and the Magico Q3, which are all less than $35,000 per pair and seem suitable for condo-sized or smaller-home sized listening rooms, while offering mastering-level playback quality of sorts, for the home. With million dollar condos, it doesn't seem out-of-line to pick up $30,000ish main speakers.

It is interesting that B&W hasn't yet offered an update on the Nautilus, their current top-market offering since forever now, yet or another assault on the state of the art, for larger listening rooms or mastering / control studios, up-market.

zead -- Thu, 04/21/2011 - 09:12

staxguy,
if you want to hear what the 21st century nautilus sounds like it's not at B&W--go listen to the top line vivid -- that's where the nautilus designer perfected his nautilus approach. frankly! that's where i'll spend my money

staxguy -- Thu, 04/21/2011 - 09:55

Good to hear from you, Zead, When I get a chance to hear the Vivid G1 Gaya, I will do so, definitely. Only downsides seem to be looks, fragility of the drivers (Stereophile review), and less than 20-20 frequency response - sound is reputably mint condition. On the headphone front, am hoping the local shop will bring in the new SR-009 so my SR-007's will have company. The Sennheiser 800's are quite good, but don't excite me as much as their Orpheus system did. Still good for Binaural recordings. Ultrasone Edition 10's look very retro chic, but haven't had a chance to listen yet, as people buy them immediately. As for the Nautilus itself, the local B&W shop has a single beast rotating in their front room for show, but that's it. No Vivid's in town. Cheers, Staxguy

staxguy -- Sun, 05/01/2011 - 21:02

Did hear the B&W MM1 set finally, and found while it was low-resolution of course compared to anything like the 805 (any matrix or nautilus version, diamond or not), they did an amazing good job of filling a large long two-story "room" (large), with very nice background sound. Would be nice speaker to put up by the ceiling corners vs. going in-wall, I'd wager. A really cheap price!.

Long back, I remember a guy taxing 800 series and nautilus (the real one), components (tweeters, woofers, etc.) with perhaps vacuum tube electronics and putting it all into an automobile, home brew. Wonder if anyone has done the same thing starting with the new diamond 800 series yet, with Classe-like electronics (hack job), and compared the two efforts?

It's nice these days that hi fi companies are outfiting automobiles but I wonder how a great car stereo compares to a set of speakers like the B&W 805 diamond, with a comensumate front-end, and perhaps an added PV-1 sub to make the comparison fair. :)

Am using the old B-rated PSB Stratus Gold with Quad amplification for my present PC, or else the old Stax 007 (still waiting for the March 009 model to hit the local shops) but am intrigued by something like the B&W 802 diamond for PC speaker use, as it has decent bass, with a Clase CTM-600 driving it, about perfect for the relative lame quality the 24/192 DAC in my PC puts out. Even one 802 diamond, in mono would be perfect for my application of mostly voice playback.

The MM1 is of course tailor made for PC / Mac use, but I doubt the internal DAC is 24/192 or better.

Am guessing the MSB Diamond DAC IV (http://www.msbtech.com/products/dac4diamond.php?Page=platinumHome) is the most logical choice for a PC DAC these days, allowing high resolution and playback rate.

What is everyone using for their PC? Something like the small-sized Bechmark, etc? Is it actually better than what you'd find in an Oppo or onboard your HP PC? There's not much room for a power supply, vs the Gigantic Weiss, say, or any of the MSBs... is something like a Bryston or Classe DAC sufficent for headphone use, with a phone the likes of the Sennheiser 800 to pick a common reference?

Cheers,

Staxguy

snorene -- Fri, 06/03/2011 - 10:32

Okay, B&W does make amazing speakers, but $700.00 for the stands is just plain STUPID

Luke_Mueller -- Mon, 09/12/2011 - 15:45

I like the look of the new B&W 805 Diamond Loudspeaker! With the company's history and upgrades in speaker quality and design, it sounds like a great buy!

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