Will High End Audio Survive?

Henry Domke -- Mon, 01/05/2009 - 07:04

Can High-End Audio survive an economic depression? 
I'm no economist, but  Paul Krugman is and he said "This looks an awful lot like the beginning of a second Great Depression." 
How are dealers preparing for this possibility?
How are manufacturers preparing? 
What are the implications for us listeners? 
 
Here is a link to Krugman's column  in the New York Times on January 5th:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/opinion/05krugman.html
 

Steven Stone -- Mon, 01/05/2009 - 19:22

 Bugatti and Duesenberg both sold high-end vehicles during the depression.
 
No reason to believe that well-run small high-end audio companies can't weather the storm.
 
How does any business prepare for a possible economic downturn? Control costs and make sure that they have a compelling product.

Steven Stone
Contributor to The Absolute Sound, EnjoytheMusic.com, Vintage Guitar Magazine, and other fine publications

Jonathan Valin -- Mon, 01/05/2009 - 21:15

Uh, Duesenberg went under in 1937, thanks to Cord losing all his money in the Depression, and after enduring very tough times Bugatti went under in 1939-40.
 
I'm not at all sure how this little industry is going to fare. Since I started writing for high-end audio magazines back in 1993, I've seen several recessions (we lived through one when we launched "Fi"), but none like this one. A lot depends, of course, on how deep and long and widespread the downturn is. The common wisdom is that the ultra-high-end will be OK, because, recession or no, the rich will always be rich, and the very-low-end segment of the market should be OK, too, because even if you're strapped for cash a $10 record-cleaning brush is still affordable. It's everything in between dirt-cheap and ultra-expensive that hangs in the balance. And, alas, that is precisely where most companies and retailers are most heavily invested. A consumer has to have a certain amount of disposable income to get into this hobby; more importantly, perhaps, he has to be able to give himself psychological permission to spend that money. It is true that people tend to entertain themselves at home more often when times are hard, which is something in high-end audio/home theater's favor, but if this thing does turn into the Great Depression II, as Krugman predicts, then the future of high-end audio will be the least of our problems. 
 
CES ought to be a bit of a barometer. Who shows, who doesn't, the mood among those on hand, and the kind of civilian/business traffic we see will tell us a few things. But, really, everything depends on what we don't yet know. Specifically, as already noted, how long and deep and widespread this thing turns out to be.   
 

Henry Domke -- Tue, 01/06/2009 - 09:56

"But, really, everything depends on what we don't yet know. Specifically, as already noted, how long and deep and widespread this thing turns out to be. "
That makes sense, but one has to say it looks grim for those interested in Hi-end Audio. I found it helpful to watch the three videos on the Wall Street Journal's Website today.  Note: I'm not sure, but you may have to be a paid subscriber to see them. 
Part One: What Happened Click here
The housing bubble inflated and burst, and the easy money led to the collapse of Wall Street's biggest financial institutions.

Part Two: Why it Happened Click here
This occurred because they created hard-to-understand derivatives that Warren Buffett once called "weapons of financial mass destruction"

Part Three: What Happens Next Click here
No one has any idea what is going to happen next. But it is clear that the US Financial System has been destroyed. 
 

Elliot Goldman -- Tue, 01/06/2009 - 11:57

I think that the HE Audio Industry is in a very serious position. The economic downturn is only going to expedite the situation.
We have two many outlets, two much product, extremely high priced equipment and an aging consumer base.
This industry has no tools to help sell the products and to help interested customers purchase them.
The dealers are being squezzed by the internet, ebay and audiogon, that feature many bs dealers that offer nothing but used gear at a price.Many listeners come into stores with no intentions of buying but use the dealers as unpaid consultants. I am not crying just pointing out the facts. From a financial basis it has become very difficult for all parties here are some reasons
1) Lack of financial tools to help display the expensive gear for clients to see and hear. Very few dealers can afford to put the full lines of many companies out to show.
Many high end companies have little or no terms on purchase of product . this is extremely true as the prices go up. The dealers DO NOT get the gear for free
2) Overheads rising and profit margins shrinking
3) Product lines growing- almost all companies now have full or fuller product lines. No longer do you just get an amp or a preamp but many products including source, cables, speakers, power etc.
4) No payment options for clients to buy like every other luxury goods business
5) Video being a serious commodity - has taken many customers out of the small reatil stores and onto the internet and discount houses which gives them less exposure to the high end products. They dont see them they dont buy them. Many people have the wrong idea of how the business works. The magazines DO not drive clients that purchase into the stores. We must face the fact that without serious reworking of the business model that is 50 years old the industry is going to be in extreme trouble.
 
If you are concerned about the industry surviving support the local dealers for if they go out you will have no choice but to buy from the internet with nothing to go on but a review and a picture... if you are lucky!

Cole Hatfield (not verified) -- Tue, 01/06/2009 - 12:06

I feel that this economic problem can be a good thing. It may clean out some of the bad audio dealers and the good ones that have operated customer service orianted business will continue to grow. For instance, I talked with Gateway Sound and they are having a pretty good year becuase their customers know they have great service and they are willing to come back for future sales. Dealers like this that offer great survice and customer support will weather the storm.
I know it may not be the most politically correct thing to mention another website on this one but Dagogo's editor Mr. Soo wrote a great articale about the future of the audio industry just recently saying that we need to focus on younger generations and mentor their interests in audio.
Americans are hard working people, we will come out of this economic issue stronger than before. I know I am a young person but I have great hope for the coming years. America will regrow, change and adapt to the future.
Just a few thoughts,
CH

Robert Harley -- Mon, 01/12/2009 - 20:41

The attendance numbers at CES (more precisely, how crowded the show seemed compared with previous years), the overall mood of attendees and exhibitors, and my conversations with exhibitors all suggest that things are not as bad as the media has portrayed it. Although attendance was down slightly from last year, exhibitors were, with a few exceptions, happy with the quality of the attendees and the amount of business they were doing.

Cole Hatfield (not verified) -- Tue, 01/13/2009 - 11:00

Robert,
    My wife and I at Nawrocka Distribution really enjoyed the show. This was our first time exhibiting at the Alexis park and we look forward to going next year. Attendance was slow on Thursday and Friday but Saturday was very busy all day.
CH

FredT -- Fri, 01/16/2009 - 10:12

Unfortunately the economic downturn is only one of several challenges the high end audio industry faces. We will probably begin to see an upturn sometime in late 2009 or early 2010, and by that time some of the players who have been struggling all along will be gone, but there will still be an industry with most of the better established manufacturers still cranking out products.I'm more concerned about the longer term than I am about the next couple of years. The two greatest threats over the next ten years are the growth of internet sales and the resulting demise of the brick & morter high end salon, and the aging of the baby boomers.
Let's start with internet sales. It has become very hard for brick and mortar dealers  to compete with inernet sales, both used and new, for entry level products. Last week I bought a new Cambridge Audio Azur 540A for $299. I would have preferred to buy it locally, but the local dealer who used to represent Cambridge has found he can't compete with internet discounters, so he dropped the Cambridge line and focuses on the more upscale brands such as Krell, ARC, etc. Many high end dealers have been relying on HT sales and installations for their survival, but with the housing downturn that source of revenue is drying up too. I predict in the future most high end dealers other than a few long-standing East and West coast businesses will be in-home appointment-only types. The lower overhead of this type of  business makes it still viable. It will be interesting to see how the established manufacturers respond to this situation. I notice some are beginning to sell via the internet, especially through the larger sellers, but only to customers in areas where there isn't a local dealer within so many miles. Others are enlisting existing customers to promote and demo their products. The topic of this month's Houston Audio Society meeting is the Gilmore Audio speakers and electronics, which we will hear at a member's home.
The graying of the baby boomers probably is an even greater threat than the intenet over the longer term. We are the primary consumers of two channel high end audio equipment, and almost nobody from the next generation owns any high end equipment at all. Many people in the forty-something and thirty-something generation have great discretionary purchasing power, and judging from the cars my younger neighbors drive and the houses they live in I have to conclude that the price of high end equipment really isn't the barrier to entry. The barrier is that high end audio equipment is marketed to them so ineffectively that they don't even know it exists, and if they did they wouldn't buy it because none of their friends have it. Successful industries of today and of the future will be those with a limited number of participants offering high profile, effectively marketed brands. The high end audio business is so fragmented that this isn't possible. In ten years, when the sixty-something baby boomers are no longer buying equipment, if the industry hasn't found a way to attract younger buyers the game is over.

sergeit -- Fri, 10/16/2009 - 01:51

This industry has been dying a slow death long before the depression started I feel for one reason only which sadly you will not find in the postings above. That is playback's dismal performance and the futile attempt of getting any closer to the absolute sound. The real question is why hasn't anybody else mentioned playback performance until now?

Chris Martens -- Fri, 10/16/2009 - 15:53

Looking back over the long history of this thread, I think that Jon Valin identified what might be the most central point of all when he wrote: "A consumer has to have a certain amount of disposable income to get into this hobby; more importantly, perhaps, he has to be able to give himself psychological permission to spend that money." (Emphasis is mine).

While times are undeniably tough, I find that many people are continuing to spend money--sometimes quite a lot of money--but are becoming very selective in choosing what their expenditures will be. For obvious reasons, anything judged to be frivolous or inherently overpriced automatically goes overboard. My concern is that many consumers--including quite knowledgeable ones--are very quick to place high-end audio in the "frivolous and overpriced" category--perhaps with (some) good reasons.

Does High-End Audio Pricing Pass Common Sense Tests of "Reasonableness"?

In a word, no, and it's not hard to see why.

If you look at many classes of luxury goods, you'll find prices of top-tier or near-top tier products exceed the prices of their low/level garden variety equivalents by ratios of between 10/1 and perhaps 20/1. A crude example: A Hyundai Accent can be had for about $10k (in round numbers) while a Mercedes-Benz S600 goes for about $150k (and the even more exclusive Benz S65 AMG goes for a tick over $200k). The key point is that people are used to this math: garden variety product = X units of expenditure, while top-tier product = 10X-to-20X units of expenditure. Now look at high-end audio. 

Whether we like it or not, an average consumer is likely to have his or her opinions of what audio equipment should cost--at least at a baseline level--established by what can be seen in a big box retailer's showroom. If you visit the Best Buy Web site, you'll find that floorstanding loudspeakers start at around $150/pair (for some very inexpensive Sony models) and range on up to around $3000/pair (for Definitive Mythos STS speakers that are available only in Best Buy stores that have Magnolia departments). Note that once again, you see that 20/1 luxury-to-common product price ratio in action. Also note that, for very many customers--including those who will drive up to the Best Buy store in BMWs or Jaguars--the Definitives, at $3k/pair, would be considered very  expensive speakers.

Now overlay the high-end world view on the Best Buy "real world" view. In high-end land, those "very expensive" Definitives are regarded as good value-priced speakers--a good place to start the game on your way up. And then we start talking about what we consider to be the really good stuff, as in speaker systems that can range way on up into the 6-figure range/pair. Examples: a pair of Magico M5s costs roughly 29.7X what the Definitives do, while a pair of `Wilson Alexandria X2s are priced a whopping 49.3X more than the Definitives--speakers which the average customer already thought were premium products.

My point: I think the high-end's collective notion of what the word "expensive" means seems wildly distorted relative to the pricing math many customers understand, so that it becomes tempting to dismiss us as a bunch of harmless but misguided loons preoccupied with impossibly expensive electro-acoustic toys.

What Can Be Done to Re-Invigorate the High End?

We can start by getting our own house in order, which means demanding products whose price/performance ratios make sense. This doesn't mean abandoning expensive products by any means (in any product area, really first-rate gear is almost always expensive), but it does mean holding them to much higher standards of value than we currently do. A British high-end manufacturer (OK, it was Antony Michaelson of Musical Fidelity) once said to me, "The value proposition of a piece of high-end audio gear must be self-evident," and I think he was right.  If customers have to stop and ask, "Does the asking price of this product makes any kind of sense?," something is already wrong. 

We can also work much harder to focus attention on designers and companies that have perfected the art (and it is an art) of designing high-performance/high-value audio components. And when we discuss these products, we would do well to check our ultra-high-end attitudes at the door. Without realizing it, we all too often come across as nutball-grade snobs and elitists--not good. Basically, we need to be sensitive to the fact that what we might regard as "value-oriented" components are, for the rest of humanity, almost inconceivably expensive high-end luxury components. If we want more of our fellow citizens to take up this hobby we love, we must think about, write about, demonstrate, and then sell audio products from frames of reference (in both financial and sonic terms) that normal mortals can grasp.

Wherever possible, we can lobby to bring back music education as a standard feature in elementary, middle school, and high school curricula. My thought: you can't expect young people to want to listen to great music (as in, genuinely paying attention to it) if they've never been given a chance to hear (or better yet, to perform) great music. Putting first things first, let's recognize that love of music precedes love of hi-fi (or at least it should). 

By whatever means possible, let's give the high-end audio exposure, exposure, and more exposure.

Appreciation for what the high-end has to offer doesn't come overnight. Instead, it takes repeated listening experiences, plus a fair amount of what I call "soak-in" time. My own kids, for example, were largely indifferent to high-end audio--even though they had been around it all their lives--until I slowly and methodically began to show them the joys and possibilities inherent in having systems of their own. Even then, it took a while for the concept to take hold and gain traction. While my two oldest children now have and enjoy good starter systems, their interests developed only very gradually, over time. Bear in mind that most high-end enthusiasts-to-be need to be nurtured with slow and steady applications of great music coupled with great sound.

Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision 

Steven (not verified) -- Fri, 11/13/2009 - 02:13

Chris M, you asked, What Can Be Done to Re-Invigorate the High End?  You provide three logical considerations.  Are these your personal thoughts or are you speaking on behalf of your employers?  If on behalf of your employers, would you mind sharing what steps they have taken toward these objectives?  Does Robert Harley agree with your considerations?
Steve

Chris Martens -- Fri, 11/13/2009 - 11:09

 Hi Steven,

Let me respond to your questions in turn.

1. The thoughts are my own.

2. Steps taken toward the objectives: TAS has, over time, made a significant effort to expand coverage of comparatively affordable audio products (and, of course, I like to think that I have contributed at least in a small way that effort).

Playback, in turn, has worked to fill in some important gaps, deliberately taking a seriously music-minded approach in its coverage of home theater products, headphones, and computer/desktop audio products (recognizing that for many listeners, these products will be--or at least can be--an "entry point" to the high-end world).

Many members of our team are active in promoting exposure to live music and/or music education. Our CEO Tom Martin, for example, has been a constant and vigorous supporter of the Austin Lyric Opera and has served on its board (locally, bumper stickers somewhat humorously describe opera as "the other live music.").

Personally, I take a somewhat more indirect, grass-roots role, supporting my wife in her ongoing work as a Suzuki-method violin and viola instructor, while making sure my own kids have a firm grounding in music education.

3. I can't speak for Robert Harley, but I do know he has keen and well-balanced interests that span a very broad spectrum of audio components, starting with the modestly-priced overachievers and ranging all the way up to cost-no-object statement-class designs that define the state of the art. 

Best,

Chris Martens

Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision 

Tom Martin -- Tue, 11/17/2009 - 15:33

Steven -- thanks for your question. As the "employer" in question, let me add a little more bluntly what steps we have taken to bring audio to a broader audience (the factor we saw as central to reinvigoration). At the start of 2007, we proposed to publish a new magazine, Playback, that would reach out to a younger audience (heavy emphasis on new music and very affordable gear -- audio, video and mobile). We had the spiritual and operational support of Warner Bros Records, Music Direct, PS Audio, Shure and Polk. We launched Playback  in mid-2007. We've invested several million dollars in this endeavor, which is more than we've ever made in profit from audio publishing, cumulatively in our entire history. We were tired of talking about growing audio, and wanted to provide a platform that could bring industry players together and that did something about the issue.

 

It seemed like a good idea, and a lot of people as you can see, liked the vision. I wouldn't however, rate the results in new markets as a success (ad sales did not keep pace with the vision). I'm sure we could have improved our execution with 20/20 hindsight, but that's always the case. From the outset, the push from marketers was for a more traditional, familiar focus. And, I think that new, more traditional focus for Playback and its offspring is starting to work well. It just isn't as expansive as the old model.

 

So far, there have been many learnings from this project, but a big one is that most audio manufacturers don't see expanding the market as a financially rational goal. Most of the audio companies that do see market growth as important are already mass market companies. It is hard to cross the chasm from the high end into customer acquistion. There are many reasons (see this related thread).

CEO and Editorial Director, Nextscreen LLC

Jonathan Valin -- Fri, 11/13/2009 - 04:34

Chris makes good points, but his analogy to price-to-perceived-value analogy is a bit misleading, IMO. Instead of cars, consider watches, which in many ways are far more analogous to high-end audio gear. If all you want to do is tell time, you can buy a Swatch for $15. You can also buy a hand-made, incredibly beautifully crafted Breuguet Classique Alarm for $35,800, an IWC Da Vinci Automatic for $47,000, an A. Lange & Sohne Datograph Flyback Chronograph for $66,300, a Vacheron Constantin Malte Tonneau Tourbillion Openworked Grand Complication Chronograph for $206,600, or a Patek Phillipe Grande Complication Perpetual Calendar Split-Second Chronograph for $241,000. By my calculations that makes the price ratio of cheap-to-expensive watches something between 2386x units-of-expenditure on the low end to 16,066x units-of-expenditure on the high side. In other words, fine watches make high-end audio pricing look sane. 
 
I'm not saying that I think high-end audio pricing is sane, BTW. (For one thing, there are too many instances in which "middlemen" are jacking up prices unreasonably. For instance, I have personal experience with a world-class stereo amplifier that sells for $29,000US in Europe and costs American consumers $40,000. That is a 38% price hike—and you don't get a single blessed thing extra for the added tariff!) What I am saying is that luxury goods are costly to produce and buy because, unlike even very expensive cars, they are often made by hand of very expensive materials in very small shops and in unusually small numbers for an even smaller market. I am also saying that, just like everything else in the good ol' free-enterprise system, goods are priced at what the market will bear. It was only a few years ago when TPV featured a 50" plasma TV (a first at the time) on its cover that cost $25,000. Just yesterday I saw a far better 50" plasma TV at Sam's Club for a little over a grand. How would you feel now if you'd bought that $25k set? There is this to be said about high-end audio pricing: If you went out tomorrow and bought, oh, a Magico V3 at $25k, you can rest assured that it's never going to drop to $1k at retail.
 
So...to me the question isn't so much a matter of economics or price ratios, it's a matter of what you get for all that extra dough. To use Anthony Michaelson's formula: Is the value of a Technical Brain TCP-1 ver.2 monoblock amp at roughly $40k-the-pair "self-evident" compared, say, to a $799 Odyssey Khartago? To which I would have to reply: "Self-evident to which 'self'?" To the mass-market buyer looking at $150 floorstanders to play back MP3s from his/her iPod Nano I rather doubt that the value of a $3k Definitive Mythos would be "self-evident." What I'm saying is that you have to have some knowledge and experience with "better" to understand when something really is better. You also have to have some interest in getting better.
 
Here, Chris and I are in agreement, though we may use different words He says exposure is key. I say knowledge, experience, interest. To my mind (and in my experience) tarring expensive gear simply because it is expensive as the problem with high-end audio is a straw man argument, generally made by people who resent the fact that they can't afford such gear and think (without having the experience of actually having heard what this stuff can do) that anything above a certain price—$150, $500, $1000, $3000, $5000, $10,000, $15,000, $20,000 (this usually depends on a person's wallet)—is automatically a rip-off or, additionally/alternatively, have so little interest in, experience of, and knowledge about high-end audio that they don't see the point of the exercise no matter how much or how little the gear costs.
 
Year in and year out, our magazine gives readers our knowledge of, shares our experiences with, and promotes interest in what is good, better, best. I think we are very good at doing this. I also think—despite the breast-beating—that we were, are, and will always be preaching mostly to the converted or pissing off the schismatics.
  
Try as we may, want as we might, high-end audio has never been mainstream. Never, ever. This is precisely why we are more like the high-end watch industry than the high-end automobile industry or even the plasma TV/home-theater industry (although even the high-end watch industry is far more mainstream than we are). We may convince a few folks to give our passion a fling—I think we can, should, and do. But it has been my experience (and it is an experience I share with virtually every audiophile I’ve ever known) that in the majority of cases the “bug” doesn’t come first from reading a magazine like ours; it comes, usually in our early teenage years, from a figurative “laying on of hands”—from going to someone house or someone’s dad’s house or very occasionally a stereo store and hearing an audio system make a magic that simply enthralls us, that imprints on us a desire to repeat and perfect that magic. This, I’m afraid, is a Grail experience that cannot be recreated virtually in words, although, God knows, we try. It is an epiphany, and you simply have to be there to have an epiphany.
 
 
The high end will survive because there will always be a small number of Grail seekers who’ve had that epiphany—passed on by someone else who’s had that epiphany. We are less like buyers of goods than members of a secret society, a sect of h-fi, complete with high priests, orthodoxies, schismatics, and doubters. Thus it has always been and thus it will always be. That’s OK. As long as we continue to refresh the little gene pool that makes us the way we are—and I see no reason why not—a small but passionate few of us will be buying high-end gear, arguing about value and prices, and in our own quasi-alchemical ways trying to make magic—trying to make the dead come back to life and the still-living show up in our listening rooms for the cost of a CD.

 

arooj (not verified) -- Sat, 11/14/2009 - 08:41

 
JV, those two last paragraphs are perfect - I want to get your permission to quote you for my son's business class in high-school. And yes, I am getting the little bugger hooked into the high-end via a potent mix of Magico V2, ASR, MIT, and to start things off, System of a Down.  Many thanks for your many contributions to the art.
Arooj

Jonathan Valin -- Sat, 11/14/2009 - 18:29

 Thank you, arooj.
 
Permission granted.

checkmate (not verified) -- Sat, 11/14/2009 - 16:47

Between 2005-2009 I spent maybe more than 200K usd. for all the gear I had. However, I haven't bought even a single cd for 6 months. The reason is not a decline in economy but simply I am bored!
I don't believe that magic will happen If I change my Sophias 2 to Sacha or ARC Ref 3 to Ref 5. Sometimes regular Hi-End buyers simply stop buying and changing equipment. Manufacturers must understand this state.

Jonathan Valin -- Sun, 11/15/2009 - 13:25

Kiddo, I can't tell you the number of times I've gotten "burned out" by high-end audio--a couple of times for several years. The secret to a recovery, I think, is to step back for awhile and try to stop thinking about the whole enterprise as a matter of equipment acquisitions. The moment you allow yourself to stop wondering whether you own "the best" (or the best you can afford) is the moment you'll liberate yourself from the treadmill of high end. It isn't easy to do--I know from experience. But if you give yourself a few months to decompress and come back to your hi-fi with a determination to enjoy music rather than listen to equipment, you may find that your enthusiasm is gradually rekindled.

anonymous3434343434 (not verified) -- Tue, 11/24/2009 - 22:31

The reason high end audio is dying is not because of the mode of playback, it is because the gear is so ridiculously overpriced it is outrageous.   I can't  believe individuals who review $50,000 speakers, who call $6000/pr speakers budget and rave about how one must have the latest $3000/meter speaker cable can actually puzzle over why young people are not getting involved with the audiophile "hobby" (money pit is more like it).  There is such a huge disconnect between the cost to develop and produce audio equipment and the actual cost charged that high end deserves to die.  And what is worse is that the audiophile press abets such blatant highway robbery and gouging.   $5000 phono cartridges?   $32000 stand-mounted monitors?  $15000 monoblocks.  Honestly, how can anyone puzzle over why high end audio can't attract new customers?  The only way it can survive is if companies that raise their prices to astronomical levels solely for prestige and because audio reviewers have told customers price is the same as performance lose business and start making their prices sane.   Until then, high end audio probably doesn't have a bright future with the iPod generation. 
 
The only people who pay those prices are those who like to brag about how much money they have.  The individual repeatedly telling everyone here that he spent $200K on audio gear is the perfect example.
 
Another problem with high end audio is the snobbery of the makers of the product and those who sell it.   In today's day and age it is quite simply asinine to tell people they absolutely cannot buy a piece of equipment over the internet, unless of course you think it is a good idea to force people to go to a dealer and listen to a product in a room that in no way resembles the environment in which the speaker will be placed in their home.   And the dearth of dealers makes matters even worse.  In the area in which I live, Louisville, KY,  there are very few high end dealers, despite the fact there are well over 1 million people in the surrounding area.  I literally would have to drive hours to listen to some of this stuff.    Perhaps the audio companies don't want people returning a product they haven't heard, but my suspicion is that they think "we are quite simply too good to sell to slobs over the internet."   It is almost as if they intentionally try to weed out those whom they deem too undesirable to buy their spectacular product.   In a day and age when more and more people are buying products online, it is quite simply a mind-bogglingly stupid business decision to refuse to sell over the internet.   If I have to drive all over creation just for the privilege of viewing your extra special product,  guess what?  I ain't gonna buy it. 

Mr Plus -- Thu, 11/26/2009 - 07:46

No, unfortunately it is the mode of playback that's beleaguering the audio industry.

Here in the UK, we have a significant number dealers that sell more real-world oriented equipment. By real-world, I mean CD/amp/speaker systems costing less than $2,000 and cables that adopt the 10 per cent rule (spend no more than 10 per cent of the total cost of the system on cables).

Those retailers have seen their market change significantly over the last five or six years. They can show you the invoices pre- and post- 'iPod Xmas' (2005) where sales of lower-end products simply dropped away and have not come back. They can also track demographics - the average age of the audio buyer went up by almost a decade in less than a year. Right now, the average age is rising by about 18 months per year.

This has had two interesting effects. First, if the retailers see someone under 40 walk in the store and buy something other than a TV, a Blu-ray or a Sonos box, they hold an impromptu party. Second, and probably most germane to this thread, those 40+ audio buyers are spending more. So the budget products aren't selling to their typical audience (who've moved on to other things) while those who do spend money, are buying more and more up-market equipment.

This is echoed throughout the audio industry, and at every level - if you were selling $10,000 systems two years ago, you sell less systems, but the typical buyer spends $30,000. Our job as an industry - and one we are singularly failing at - is to get those people under 40 who buy a Sonos box or an iPod dock and show them how that can be improved upon. And that doesn't happen by selling gadgets or exotic cables to the converted.

As to the internet retailing issue, it's a function of high-end equipment. Typically, someone who visits 'bricks and mortar' retailers does their selection and listening process before buying. Once the products are delivered and/or installed, the likelihood of that person coming back to the dealer to express their displeasure at the system is low. People who buy from online sources are considerably more likely to go through two or three iterations of system before they get things just right. That's not a great problem when dealing with a few dozen pounds of equipment, but becomes a logistical impossibility when lugging half a ton of speakers. As matching a system to a user is something like sitting for a bespoke suit even at the entry-level, there would be a lot of to-and-fro FedEx action. I'd like to think there was a way of reducing the tailoring needed to fine-tune a system that would make selling high-end equipment online easy, but I've yet to see a robust way of doing so.

Alan Sircom
Editor, Hi-Fi Plus Magazine
London, England
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BillK (not verified) -- Wed, 11/25/2009 - 06:08

 Hmmm, we have one poster saying high end audio is doomed because there are too many dealers, and another saying there are too few.
 
We've got the poster above complaining there are few high end audio dealers in Louisville, KY, but the nearest Ferrari dealers to Louisville are in Ohio and North Carolina. Guess they're done for, too.
 
I don't dispute that something needs to be done, and certainly it's time for a shakeout in the industry. There are far too many good products out there that must compete with products that only survive due to their brands' past glory or because certain people will buy anything with a certain brand name on it regardless of its performance.
 
One point the poster above makes abundantly clear is that we suffer from a wacky perception, namely that one MUST spend huge sums of money to achieve good sound. Surely people don't believe that because $250,000 Ferraris exist they must spend that amount of money to achieve reasonably sporty behavior in a car, but somehow people believe you need to spend $10,000 on a phono cartridge to extract music.
 
Lest anyone think I disagree completely with the poster above, there is of course also the issue of dealers and reality. For example, if I want to purchase a Sonus Faber Amati Anniversario, I can't even listen before purchasing because my local SF dealer won't order a pair unless I agree to purchase them up front.  Perhaps high end manufacturers need to implement rotating "loan" programs for their higher end products - how many dealers outside New York or Los Angeles could afford to keep say a pair of Wilson Audio Maxx3s on the floor for demo purposes, yet who's going to buy a pair without hearing them?  Having to fly to the coast or Utah isn't really a viable solution, either.
 
Finally, let's not let Paul Krugman enter into this; the man is a perpetual naysayer and hasn't had a good word to say about the economy in times of bust or boom.

Boomzilla -- Thu, 11/26/2009 - 09:49

 Well, I don't have any broad industry perspective to speak from, but I'll illuminate the story from a personal perspective:
 
A couple of years ago, I began the hunt for a preamp.  Initially, my target price was $5 to $6 thousand.  Last year, I changed that target to $2 to $3thousand.  Now, I'm searching CraigsList & eBay for under $1 thousand items.
 
Am I the exception rather than the rule?  I don't think so.  
 
Will this change in the near future?  It might.  But even if it does, my spending won't rise with the increase.  Instead, I'll be saving more for potential future lean times.  Again, am I the exception?  Again, I don't think so.
 
Extrapolate this to the broader picture as you wish...

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