What is it about B&W speakers (and Rotel electronics) that they are sold in so many stores ?
-- Sun, 08/09/2009 - 18:22
OK, let's get down to the point of the topic right off the bat. I do not care for the sound of any B&W speaker or Rotel electronics. I never have and I never will. If that means to you that I have garbage for taste, then so be it. I couldn't care less. Enough said about that.
If B&W and Rotel are supposedly THAT good, then why are they sold in SO MANY stores ? To me, they are the mass market world equivalent of McDonalds, Pepsi, and 7-11 in that they are sold at this store and that store and the one around the corner and the one down the road and the one over there and this one too and that one too, etc. They obviously do not care about a minimum territory distance for a given dealer since there are two within 30 minutes of one another right here in the Lehigh Valley of Pa near Allentown. (Coopersburg and Whitehall specifically) and then, another 30 minutes away, but technically in a whole other state, NJ, there is the one in Phillipsburg, NJ. All stores are within 30 minutes of one another. The stores are nothing special for audio show rooms in most cases as they focus on home theater so heavily with lifestyle systems, flat screen tv's, etc.
What is about B&W and Rotel electronics that makes them seem as if they MUST be sold at darn near every store as if a store HAS to sell them in order to be in business or to be considered serious or of a certain level of quality ?
Personally, I think Rotel is barely one step over the mass market stuff at Tweeter, Circuit City, and Best Buy ... keeping in mind that the first two are now gone. As for B&W, I have never liked their over damped (dry), static - like - a - studio - monitor sound. Give this audiophile Focal / JM Lab and Wilson any time. It is also as if the only suitable shape that B&W can conceive of for the ultimate speaker system is some sort of variation of their "almighty nautilus" conch shell simulation. Finding another B&W dealer is as easy as finding the next 7-11 because so many dealers carry them. It is as pathetic as those other stores and infomercials selling the alledged holy grail ... Bose. hahahhahahahahahahaha
If I had store, I would refuse to even consider selling either brand for these reasons alone. I would rather not have a store if it meant selling these lines due to this. Maybe digging ditches would be more fun.
I await and look forward to reading the amusement of the onslaught of replies.
1. I have found Rotel to be on par with NAD.
2. B&W does a great job of marketing their products but unlike Bose, they make great sounding stuff.
NAD is another brand that I have never cared for the sound of, or the appearance of. To me, and my ears and preferences, NAD has always sounded harsh, cold, sterile, clinical, unrefined, and "raw" and looks as generic and cheap as some stuff from Radio Shack ... then again, McIntosh gear looks like Radio Shack gear too. That is one reason why I would never buy any McIntosh. That, and oh yeah, the sound just does not do it for me. It sounds nice, but that is it. It never got my feet tapping, etc. (same with B&W) And again, the McIntosh gear looks like cheap, plastic, old Radio Shack hobbyist stuff that somebody put together in a basement and tried to sell.
I agree that B&W (and Rotel as they are part of the same company) does a great job at marketing their products, however, it seems as if it is almost a prerequisite for a store to exist that they must sell B&W and Rotel as if they are the "Stereo Store Staple".
A little OT.
I was told by a friend who works for B&W. The relationship between Rotel and B&W is that, Rotel does all the designs and manufacturing of B&W crossovers, in exchange, Rotel gets to ride off B&W's distribution channels.
"I await and look forward to reading the amusement of the onslaught of replies."
A troll worthy of being ignored.
Well, well, well ... how thoughtful a reply. I was hoping for such amusement in the giving of multitudes of opinions related to the topic of my post. I think that the last time that I saw a troll was in the Ron Howard movie Willow. Ironically, in that movie, the trolls were not deemed worthy of being ignored; but avoided, killed, or removed from existence altogether if possible. Perhaps someone would care to take a shot at it ?
So many people, and reviewers, seem to think that B&W is the best that there is and is if it is just that good and a must have and a reference standard. It is pathetic how so many people have bought into, literally, the hype and fluff and over marketed supply of B&W. Oh yeah, then add Rotel along with it. I have listened to enough high end brands and models of speakers to know that B&W has a long, long way to go before they even begin to approach the levels of many other brands.
Tom
Tommy Gurl,
Care to elaborate on speakers at vaious price points that are better than B&W. Lets see Gifted Listener in Centervile, VA sells Rotel but not B&W.
I have some old B&W's DM 1800's in my office out in the barn with an original Forte power and pre amp and an ancient Kyocera CD player
The HT front end in my bedroom is Rotel.
Sounds almost as good as my dedicated 2 channel system and the Rotel receiver and DVD player provides 98% of what my dedicated HT system does at at maybe 10% the cost of the front end in my dedicated HT room. And when I used my ten year old ROtel DVD player in my dedicated HT system for fun my Meridian 810 projector did a great job of upscaling it to 4k.
My suggestion Tommy Gurl is stop playing with gerbils, nail clippers and psychoactive substances and go listen to some B&W and Rotel speakers after cleaning out your ears boy! Oh if you read Barack Obama's first book "Winning At Pocket Pool" maybe you can break that losing streak huh hoss! Its now available from the WH website.
Time for breakfast and then going to check out some cars at auction. There is BMW bat mobil and AM D4GT calling my name. And the John Greenwood Sebring Vette.
Sheepherder
Shenandoah Valley, VA
That was quite an interesting reply. What I just learned is that someone spent money on two systems with one being 98% as good as the other with the lower one costing only 10% as much. Why then buy so much more costly of a second system if the first one is that good for so little ? Once again, ignorance and stupidity reign supreme.
As I said though, I look forward to the giving of opinions. This has been fun so far, and still is.
Oh, how I wish that I were as affluent as others. How much fun that would be. Perhaps then I could afford the higher education in English grammar that some forum users have, and display it with such prowess and expertise as they do; especially with such colorful metaphors as recently employed. Perhaps then I could also afford a book by our current president ... as if it were worth my reading ... or anyone's for that matter. I would much rather read my Bible ... that is always worth reading. As a matter of fact, I think I will go do that now and stop wasing time in these forums where the arrogance from alledged sheep herding fortunes masks the ignorance inherent to such a career in spades ... then again, that is how it was in the army. To all, I bid a fare, or not so fare ... see ya. In parting, which is usually such sweet sorrow, but in this case it is just sweet ... the south will not rise again. You lost the first time, and it has stayed that way since ... some people are just too ignorant and stubborn to admit it. Chao !!!
B&W, Rotel and Classé are all part of the same Bowers and Wilkins group.
The loudspeaker brand is one of the largest on the planet, it does this by selling products into volume resellers. It also makes high-end models that sell into very limited retail outlets. Usually, Rotel is attached to the volume market, and Classé to the high-end market.
Like any market leader, it draws praise and criticism in equal measure. I find there are good products and bad in the portfolio. You could apply the same statement to almost every brand, especially one with as broad a scope as B&W. There will always be those who disagree, who love every product with a B&W name tag on them, or think every B&W loudspeaker is firewood in training. Such is life, and there are always rival brands.
One of the reasons why the company is the market leader is that its models are extremely popular at this time. You may be unable to parse this, but it happens to be true. If a retailer stocks Rotel and B&W, they know they will sell them and sell them consistently. 20+ years ago, when nine out of 10 loudspeakers sold in the UK were Mission 770s (the majority of which were supplied with Marantz CD players and Cyrus One amplifiers), I struggled to understand why the speakers (and the attendant systems) were so popular, but it didn't change the fact that a retailer would give themselves a tougher time if they did not stock them.
In the case of Rotel/B&W systems, they are an easy sell in part because they are very consistent. You may not like the sound, and some of the combinations are better than others (and are better suited toward some rooms than others) but such systems are virtually plug 'n' play. They are also extremely reliable. So, it's a bit of a no brainer for the retailer.
For the manufacturer, who wouldn't jump at the opportunity of having products stocked everywhere?
Alan Sircom
Editor, Hi-Fi Plus Magazine
London, England
editor [at] hifiplus [dot] com
Now that reply was well worth reading and actually answered my question and explained the reasons thoroughly and with ease of reading. Thank you, sincerely so.
that WAS a good answer to a question not hardly worthy of it. Made the thread worth reading.
I've heard 803d few times before I got my own system. I've just come back from a dealer and spent almost an hour listening to them and realized my speakers are indeed better for my ears than 803d. Why? Simple, the tweeter is painful, and the rest of the spectrum just sounds so congested, I had to strain my ears to hear the details I had no trouble picking up in my home system. it does sound robust and is I think great party speaker, where you can impress people with its big bass, but for dedicated listening, it simply is overprized and overrated.
So as has been mentioned by Alan Sircom, B&W, Rotel and Classe are all owned by the Bowers and Wilkins Group and as such allows the B&W Group to stratify the marketplace into entry-level, mid-level, and high-end turnkey offerings to the retailer. So a retailer can easily pare up a 6 series B&W speaker with entry level Rotel electronics, or a 7 series or CM series B&W speaker with high-end Rotel or entry level Classe solution, or finally an 800D/802D B&W speaker with high-end Classe offerings and this way can span the full spectrum of products at different price points for 2-ch audio or multi-ch HT applications. So that is why you often find B&W, Rotel and Classe products often sold at the same dealer.
I for one am thankful that there are solid vlaue-oriented audiophile products that can provide an affordable entry point into the high-end audio experience, such as Rotel and NAD and PSB and Paradigm and the entry-level offerings of B&W. These gateway products can serve to introduce the unitiated to what the high-end audio sound can deliver and anything that enlarges the demand for audiophile type products is a good thing because as demand for such products scales up, scale in demand begets scale in production and hence lower price points for all. There will always be exclusive, niche high end audio products with exorbitant price tags but we should all look forward to an expansion of the consumer base for mainstream audiophile products because that ends up ensuring the economic viability of this industry and lowering the price point for the consumer. My two cents worth.
cmalak ... that is an excellent "two cents worth". Great reply.
Tom F,
Punk I thought you were leaving. What happened reading your Bible get boring or did you realize Jesus was both a Jew and man of color?
No why you don't you go practice your Rush Limbaugh imitation for your program on your public access channel.
Next go see your ENT and get your ears cleaned and your hearing checked.
Lamb chops from my farm in retail butcher shops sell for $20 to $30 a pound. And if you ever decide to try some place for dinner besides the Olive garden and Ruby Tuesday you might just be eating lamb from my farm. Bobby, Pat, Mario, Hubie and others rave about it.
And why don't you enlighten us with your thoughts on equipment that sounds better than Rotel and B&W.
BTW a Chevy Aveo, Kia, Mihandra or soon to be available in the US Chery provide 98% of the driving experience that my M3s, DBS, Range Rover, Silverado, or Caterham Super 7 do. Like anything computers, cameras , watches, wine, and women its that last two percent that make the difference.
The one scenario where this isn't true is herding dogs.
Have a fine herding dog day! And remember the smartest species on the planet is a herding dog!
Sheepherder
Shenandoah Valley, VA
Sheepherder, why all the homo-talk? Why all the bragging? In any case, it's annoying to see any manufacturer's wares dominate the market. Variety is the spice. For my part, neither Rotel nor B&W are mass-market brands, but they are natural choices at any store that wants to step up from generic brands because they are good quality and reliable. The problem with B&W, as with Bose, is that they were too successful and drove a lot of other brands out. As to sound quality, I have no complaints about Rotel and B&W stuff is well made and pretty good sounding to my ears. I will make one observation: B&W led the movement away from sealed box bass, which was considered superior in the 60s and 70s. A favorite reviewer of mine, Geoffrey Horne, criticized some B&Ws for a somewhat boomy bass quality in a Grammophone review (the old Grammophone, before they tossed out the old boys and put in a bunch of glue-snorters.) Horne seemed to disappear from the mag not too long after. I have to wonder if B&W used their clout to get rid of Horne.
The smaller brands get plenty of mention in Stereophile, but I guess the people who read Stereophile are more interested in more expensive products that are sold in salons. The audio marketplace has become two-tiered like American society as a whole. There are lots of customers for expensive stuff and lots for cheap stuff but few for in-between stuff. That is partly because younger people listen mostly on ipods and computer speakers and don't care about having big box speakers for parties.
Dudes,
I have owned quite a few B&W speaker systems, but I have kept my originals 30 + years. Yes, B&W does make some speakers that cater to the mid fi market. They also make some truly great sounding speakers. I don't really care for Classe and Rotel, but Julius Siksnius, Nelson Pass, James Bongiorno (bless his heart), and John Curl had other things to do besides go to work for B&W. Whenever you kind folks criticize a product, please give us less fortunate readers a chance to share your experience by letting us know what you own that is so much better that you are compelled to write diatribes against a particular company. I also have electrostatics which I have had for 25 years and I am lucky enough to sample a variety of products. Let us know what you like and while you are at it, ask yourself to reflect upon why Lucas, Abbey Road, EMI, and many other studios use B&W as reference speakers, if they are so terrible. DV
Why is B&W sold everywhere ? The same reason that Wilson keeps getting reviewed in TAS, Stereophile and Soundstage - *hyping* one brand to make it easier to sell. Name recognition - not sound quality / value - are tops on the list here.
There are over 400 high-end loudspeaker brands in the world today. But if you follow many high-end dealers *and* the above-mentioned publications, you would never know it....
Wilson Audio seems to be the Whipping Boy du jour. The company has recently launched two new models - the MAXX III and the Sasha W/P. So, every magazine is keen to test them because new Wilson products are still reader-magnets. If you review high-end loudspeakers, Wilson is one of those names you have to review when new products arrive. As are Avalon, Kharma, YG, Magico, Rockport, Peak Consult, Hansen, Marten, Revel, Focal and many more. All of these brands have been covered in the magazines and websites you mention.
I can see why it looks as if Wilson gets the lion's share of reviews, though. Wilson has an advantage over many brands for getting review coverage in that it refreshes its product line regularly. Others don't. A magazine will try to review a new product in its first few months and then probably not review it again until a major revision occurs. Which means that for every one Avalon review (for example), there may be reviews of three similarly priced Wilson speakers, because the competitive Wilson model has been updated, and updated again in the same time frame. That doesn't mean Avalon is on the right path and Wilson isn't (or vice versa), just that they follow different product life cycle timescales.
The '400 high-end loudspeaker brands' comment is somewhat open to interpretation. If the list of 400 speaker brands is the one I think you are talking about, it includes brands like Logitech (fine if you class portable iPod docks and powered desktop PC speakers as 'high-end'), Cadence (very fine loudspeakers, but hard to get outside of Pune in India) and SEAS (a manufacturer of excellent loudspeaker drive units, not complete loudspeakers). I also can't help feeling that the TAS readership might not be foaming at the mouth to read about Teufel's new iPod product (it's a very good iPod dock with a subwoofer and terrific value for money at €199, because the company sells direct... but doesn't sell direct outside of the EU at this time), just as my readership will have precisely no interest in Rockport Technologies (as the brand is currently only available in France on this side of the Atlantic).
For my part, Hi-Fi Plus frequently gets accused of hyping the products of two or three distributors in the UK. However, chances are good that if you read a high-end magazine and list the brands you want to read about, names like Avalon, Audio Research, Ayre, Cardas, conrad-johnson, Continuum, darTZeel, Esoteric, finite elemente, Grand Prix Audio, Koetsu, Krell, Kuzma, Lyra, Mark Levinson, Magnum Dynalab, MartinLogan, Magico, Sonus Faber, Stax, Theta, Thiel, Transparent, Wilson and Zanden may well feature strongly... and all of those brands (and more) are brought into the UK by just three companies. If I feature more than two of these brands in a single issue, the magazine gets accused of 'hyping' these distributors, but if I feature less than three of these brands in a single issue, the magazine gets accused of focusing on less well-known high-end brands by the same readers. Which strikes me as a lose-lose situation.
Alan Sircom
Editor, Hi-Fi Plus Magazine
London, England
editor [at] hifiplus [dot] com
As always, I look forward to the replies from professionally qualified opinions and those of experienced listeners, music lovers, and owners of the brands in my post's topic and others. Some other opinions, statements, and questions will be ignored out of respect for myself.
Personally, I strongly prefer Usher's Dancer / Be series, Focal / JM Lab, and Wilson for speakers and Audio Research and Atma-Sphere for electronics. As I said ... personally ... for me. My tastes may be deemed nowhere near as good or honed or refined as yours and that is A-OK with me. I would imagine that being an editor of a popular magazine would be a demanding role and a hectic one in many ways, not the least of which would be as described above with a desired balancing act so to say of high end brands, lower end brands, fair and appropriate advertising, etc. Personally, I like HiFi Plus magazine, but do wish that some reviews were longer and more in depth.
This post has been entertaining and enlightening. I hope that continues.
Most (high-end) loudspeaker brands "refresh" their models - I can't think of one company that hasn't.
Wilson, Avalon, etc. are reader "magnets" because you believe them to be - not because readers want to read Wilson more than other brands. Wilson obviously is not as popular as the "average" high-end loudspeaker...but that doesn't stop it from being reviewed to death.
As long as a speaker has looks, sound and value, it's a contender. There are many more speakers beyond Wilson-Avalon.....
Yes, high-end brands refresh their product lines, Wilson just tends to do it a little quicker than some of its rivals.
If I put certain products from certain brands on the cover of the magazine, then that magazine will sell better than if I put products from other brands on the cover. These products and brands do change from country to country, from magazine to magazine, and from time to time, plus the amount of 'uptick' is subject to as many variables, but there are key brands nonetheless.
I have worked on photographic titles as well as audio. If you wonder why practically every issue of a photo magazine will strive to put a Canon or a Nikon camera on the cover, it's because any other 'contender' will fail to boost sales the way Canikons can. We are somewhat luckier because we don't have a pool of two brands to deal with.
Yes, this is a vicious circle - the product is important so the magazine puts it on the cover, which makes the product important - but there are key brands in audio and Wilson (and B&W for that matter) is one of them.
Alan Sircom
Editor, Hi-Fi Plus Magazine
London, England
editor [at] hifiplus [dot] com
Oh yeah, I forgot ... I very much like Parasound Halo series gear, Bryston, and Pass Labs.
Admittedly, I have not heard any of the recent Avalon models. However, as nice and impressive as they may be, I would never buy one due to the advertising used that promotes "the evolution of time and space". Being born again, which is what makes someone a Christian, I do not believe in or agree with evolution (regarding man at least) and will not (knowingly at least) support anything or anyone that supports or promotes it. Technology evolving is a different matter though of course.
I heard a model of the Gilmore Audio hybrid loudspeakers a few years ago at HiFi Logic in Maplewood, NJ. It is a home based dealership run by Koby who is a gentleman and a credit to the hobby and industry. They were a bit bright and hard on the treble, but the mids, midbass, and bass were phenomenal and jaw dropping to say the least. They were powered by a full Atma-Sphere tube system with a CD player by some company that I cannot remember. Fabulous system in most of the ways at least. I think Gilmore tuned down the treble or made a setting adjustment switch on later versions of that model speaker. I love the open baffle, dynamic driver speakers.
What is the "average" high-end loudspeaker any way ?
Tom
An "average" high-end speaker co. is one that is not as controversial as Wilson.
And I totally disagree that Wilson is one of the "key" high-end brands. Will you sell more copies if Wilson is on the cover ? Maybe in your homeland.....
I might agree with B&W as being a "key" brand - being that they offer many models, all running under 20K. But I can't see Wilson - with only four (main) models, mostly *over* 20K.
Then again, Mark Levinson gear is a strong favorite of mine too. Ayre and Musical Fidelity are quite nice too. For speakers, I also very much enjoy Sonus Faber, JL Audio (for subs of course), and Nola. There are many others that I either sold or auditioned, but these are the ones, and the others listed above as I thought of them, that are my favorites.
I like Cardas wire and Bybee filtration. These are some of *my* favorites (!)......
You guys take this way to serious....Its about the Music....You all may be Brainwashed....
the same argument you made about bw speakers can be made equally by some one who has heard your speaker of choice.
It boils down to listening to the product and deciding what sounds good to you since people have different taste. I have sen so many tvs, like you, that I have concluded that Sony has the best damn picture quality, in my eyes. Every time I go into a best buy or sears(they are in deep financial poo poo), sony's tv just shine for me.
The last time I checked, B&W had 250 some odd dealers in the US, and Rotel had less. That doesn't sound like that many to me., only an average of 5 per state. There are definitely more B&W dealers that are close to each other on the east coast than there are in the mid west or west coast. The Equity Group, B&Ws parent company, has a very tight distribution policy often only signing on the best dealers and no national chains. Because they have been around for so long, have had so many positive professional reviews written about them, they have one of the most recognized names in the industry. The original Matrix 801 is one of the best selling high end speakers of all time!
Dealers continue to carry the product because dollar for dollar it is hard to find anything better. Certainly there are things that are different and can be percieved as better by any given listener but they are not outright better. Also, think of how many audio companies have gone out of business or can't service an older product. B&W's service, support, and longevity are all tops.
On a personal note, there are certain B&W products that I do not like, for example the VM6, the CM7, and the CM9. There are others that I love, the 684, 805, 803D, and the CM1. The 684 and the CM1s are the two best $1000 speakers I have heard.
Same goes for Rotel, their new RSX1560 is amazing but their new two channel integrated is just OK.
Ill throw my hand into this as well.
To the original poster.
I have no idea why you are finding so many places to purchase B&W products, Especially so close to one another. Lets take where I live for example. In Austin TX there is a SINGLE B&W dealer, to find the next closest you must drive to San Antonio, then Houston. Dont know whats going on up there, but really, does it hurt the brand if they are sold in many different stores? I drive a Mercedes Benz whcih I bought new 3 years ago. I shopped for a week for the best deal on it...why? Well 2 dealerships in Austin and more than you can count in Houston, San Antonio then throw Dallas in.... you get the idea. Does it hurt the brand? Doubt it....
Now then, you dont care for the sound of Rotel products? Fine dont buy em, but dont be so daft as to compare a midfi product like Rotel to Bryston, Musical fidelity....this is my favorite MARK LEVISON? You lost all crediability there friend. Yeah lets compare a 1999.00 Rotle RMB1095 5 x 200 amp OR an RB1080, 999.99 2x200 amp to what a ML No.32 amp 2 channel at god knows 6-7k??? Oh right thats a comparison. Oh preamps lets do that one...Mark levisions No. 40 is 30k...THIRTY THOUSNAD DOLLARS...Rotel's 1098 with good sound is what? 3K...Yeah these are on par comparisons. Are you the kinda guy that trash's a Chevy because a Bently is better? Geeezus man, they are in 2 different class's. Not even going down the road of McIntosh "Radio shack gear". That right there makes you sound like a complete idiot. Are you just mad because you can't afford any of the brands you mentioned? Or just that snobbish that you have some super "Elite" 200k system that sounds amazing so therefore everything else is crap to you?
And no, I DO NOT own B&W speakers, I own Dynaudio's...Crap to you Im sure cause they dont stand up to MB 101E's... Yes I own McIntosh, great entry level High Fi gear.
Now back to B&W, they build a good speaker. If they didnt they wouldnt be around. You can get into B&W's for what? 600.00 a pair? Why not? Better than your beloved Best Buy bullshit you seem to care for. Walk into a dealer of JM labs / Focal / WILSON with a grand and tell me what you walk out with...
If your going to trash something at least have reasons that really matter. I write this as I sit in my Levi 501's that are sold in every freaking store on the planet....Oh but they dont cost as much as true religion so therefore they suck....Yeah thats why they have been around forever...
I laugh at you for such a stupid post,
I believe the religious troll who stirred this thread in the first place, is gone!
Mr. Plus has certainly told it like it is. As for me, I've owned Thiels for a long time and love them I also own Definitive Technology towers for my home theater. The rock the house. I've listened to high end B&Ws and love them. I wish I could afford their flagship model. I'd own it in a second. My friend, at my recommendation, bought a pair of their floor standers, about a grand or so for the pair. They sound great.
Excellent comparison by the original poster. He likes Wilsons. Wow, I mean hundred thousand dollars for a pair of speakers. Who wouldn't like them? And he won't buy from a company because their advertising slogan doesn't agree with his ridiculous born again philosophy? In a word: WACKO!!!!
me
You are welcome to come over and listen to my B&W 802Ds and tell me they sound like crap, but I dont think you will...
No Rotel gear though, just some great VTL tube amplifiers...
I do find it interesting that, like everything else, it comes down to money. Friends, it's not about money or brand names, it's about music. Yes, if I can afford to buy the very best gear to reproduce in my home the sound of my favorite orchestra, band, or singer, then that's great. But not all of us can afford to buy the very best. Does that mean I can't buy something of less value but good engineering and still relax and enjoy my favorite music at home. Not at all. Some of us own a Ferrari, Aston Martin, or Porche but some of us own Fords and Chevrolets to get to work and they all get us there. Same with audio reproduction, we all own something different but at the end of the day we will sit and enjoy our favorite music with what we have. As for me, yes, I love music intensely. And I've found that I can afford used high end gear (with some reconditioning) and get much closer to what I want in musical enjoyment within the restraints of my budget. Did I start out with equipment of lesser quality? Of course! Will I buy $60,000.00 speakers? Of course, if I win the lottery! Still, in the end, it's just about music and our personal enjoyment of it and I will never admonish anyone on how they get there. Why? Because we are all brothers and sisters in the enjoyment of music!!!
Randy L. Alfrey
why are there too many b&w shops?
their speakers look and sound ok AND they have one of the highest dealer margins. even higher than focal...
I've worked in dealers and don't believe the B&W margin to be out of whack with the majority of home hi fi speakers.
I have a pair of Matrix 802D, with NAD Monitor series including a pair of 2700 THX power amps, in bridged (mono) mode. Not high-end Class A gear but not low-end either. I really enjoy my system, and when all's said and done, that's the point isn't it?
Y have two b en w 800d and two times ca-m-400 monoblocks from classee and y already blow out 5 times my diamand tweeters and they do not give garantie so y have very bad experience with B en W
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