Vandersteen Model 7

johnny p. -- Tue, 09/28/2010 - 13:44

Is it me ? Or are others outraged that a speaker costing $45,000 is only 81db and just 44 inches high ? I would think Vandersteen would give us a little more for our money.
 
To insult to injury, Robert Harley says this is a "bargain". Knowing what he said, he almost expected e-mails from  readers complaining about his comment. Well, here's the first one - and at least I gave detail why I'm outraged.
 
When will people realize that a direct-radiating speaker is trying to do too much with what it's got ? Doesn't dynamic range matter ? How about  the speed to get from the lows to the highs ? How about image size ?
 
You really can't do it with a cone radiator. John Atkinson just reviewed the big Acapella's. At least he knows what life is like before-and-after a direct-radiating loudspeaker.........

stillone -- Mon, 10/11/2010 - 08:06

Why don't you just write a review of some Horns then we could all write and tell you how off the mark your review is. We could then tell you we do not think they produce lifelike sound. We could question your credentials. We could question the quality of your "reference" gear. Of course if we were as informed you profess to be, we would just discount your review due to your bias for the sound of horns.

rep4years -- Tue, 10/12/2010 - 20:03

Well said.

gb -- Fri, 10/08/2010 - 21:39

From this thread, I can see that the missing element is the intercommentary system, which could be expensive, both for the manufacturer, and for TAS. Imagine, one organization shipping a product between two reviewers, who take up 2-3 months each to review a component. That would mean two MAJOR reviews in any one year, considering the two major mags are STILL TAS and Stereophile (in volume, no other category considered). AND, if the reviewers' conclusions disagree, what then???
When I read a review, what I want to know about is:
1) Does each recording and, as a subset, each cut, sound utterly alike, or as different as the microphone placements or hall allow? The more different cuts sound (unless recorded the same day, under the same (humidity) in the same hall, at the same time of day (again, humidity changes), the more one can discern an "invisible" speaker. Or, to use a once-popular phrase : "Is it Live or Is It Memorex?"
2 Tonality (how close does brass have that golden "glow")? Or "silvery" strings?? Or "blatty" tuba? or piquant and "keyed" piccolo???
3) Coherence: top to bottom clarity. Does bass sound "lumped together" when double bass, celli, play? Or can you hear individual instruments? Do the different frequencies sound different? Treble: outstanding!!! Midrange: Quite good .Bass: Indistinct, but still powerful.
4 Dynamic range and contrasts (does it do "pppp" as well as "ffff" or, within that range, where does it lose out)?
5) Soundstage, and its subset, imaging: Do stages appear unique unto themselves or all the same? Do instruments appear as individuals or as "groups of instruments)? (It's hard to hear individual strings, it seems, without at least a titanium tweeter [ the Mirage 490 being one of the few VERY inexpensive speakers to reveal individual violins in a field of sound]).
How close to "real" does it come? This can only be answered by those with extensive experience of "real" in many spaces. Connecticut Grand Opera in the Palace in Stamford inevitably sounds "dry" (the hall) and lacking impact (unless you're in Row B. Go to Row H and the singer's voice is merely a sound, not a physical wave of energy).
Everything in this thread points out that the intercommentary system (REG, speak up, but I doubt he comes in here) was the best system TAS ever had. Different strokes for different folks, and did those reviewers EVER let each other have it. Now, it's politesse. It's smooooth, like the reviews. A little fire would be welcome.
 

SundayNiagara -- Sat, 10/09/2010 - 07:08

Post of the day!

gb -- Fri, 10/08/2010 - 22:10

Oh....and microdynamics make EVERYTHING sound "human" and the less the microdynamics, the less "humanity" the music will display. Anyone disagree?

johnny p. -- Fri, 10/08/2010 - 22:42

Something I value. Along with a *vast* difference between loud and soft sounds and speed (which all add up to "liveliness"). Micro-dynamics is crucial to a realistic sound experience..........

stillone -- Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:51

 allisio
Why don't you just write a review of some Horns then we could all write and tell you how off the mark your review is. We could then tell you we do not think they produce lifelike sound. We could question your credentials. We could question the quality of your "reference" gear. Of course if we were as informed as you profess to be, we would just discount your review due to your bias for the sound of horns.  

rep4years -- Tue, 10/12/2010 - 20:06

stillone,

very well said

johnny p. -- Wed, 10/13/2010 - 20:15

If I wrote a review, I would not insert brand new pre and power amps to the system *at the same time* as the speakers.

And I would at least tell my readers what my main type of music is. Then reveal what type of music the speakers (under review) would be best for. Many other reviewers do these things.

I would not make a blanket statement that "they're the best" without quantifying what they're the best for.........

Peter Ayer -- Tue, 10/12/2010 - 16:02

 Robert,
I read that you used ARC electronics for your review of the Vandy 7.  What happened to your Pass XA100.5 and XP-20?  Did you just prefer tubes with these speakers?  Thanks.

ronald dunki -- Fri, 12/14/2012 - 03:45

 Dear Mr.Harley,
Having read your lucid review of the van der Steen Model 7, which gives me a fair impression of what to expect, I took a look at the comments section out of sheer curiosity. I have surely not been able to learn anything more about the speaker, but I do hope for you that this crowd, although surely of interest for a shrink,  is not representative of your average subscribers.  Guys, "grow up & get a life"!
Rgds, Ronald Dunki
 

JoelG -- Fri, 03/29/2013 - 21:50

 Hello everyone!  This is my first post.  I am interested in setting up a new high end audio system.  This week, I went to Optimal Enchantment in Santa Monica, and was very impressed by the Audio Research equipment.... the speakers used were Vandensteen 7 speakers.  The system included the Audio Research REF 10 pre-amp, 250 amps, 2SE phono, and other very nice equipment.  Hard to imagine a better sounding system, but unlike many of you, I do not have the experience of years of listening to many different systems.  Moreover, I find it difficult to do A-B comparisons as even in an area as large as Los Angeles, there are not really a lot of high end audio stores and the stores that exist are not setup for comparison testing.  I have not seen much on the Vandensteen 7s recently, and this thread is from 2010.  
Anyone here gained any additional experience with the Vandersteen 7s, especially in comparison to other speakers?  Thank you.

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