The Whole Truth About Beryllium Diaphragms

benbangkok -- Wed, 06/10/2009 - 22:57

After a year of research I uncovered and compiled an interesting story from within the loudspeaker industry. You can download my manuscript here, http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip
Feel free to distribute this file.
 

Hi Chris,
 
I wanted to contact you but I could not find your email address anywhere.
I am independent of any company; however, I do worship the god of math and physics.
You quoted me out of context.  
Thanks for the proof read.  I have made the corrections.  You can view them here, http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip .
Hey, and thanks for posting my discussion at the Usher website.  Dr. Linkwitz has a link from his site too, http://www.linkwitzlab.com/links.htm#Transducers%20with%20Beryllium.  If you had told me earlier, it would have saved me a bunch of work.
 
Anyway, I am so pleased that folks now understand that the Usher Be-XXX are really Ti-XXX but with a close color match to Truextent (acoustic grade beryllium).   In 2004 this coloring was identified as paint, http://www.electrofusionproducts.com/userfiles/China_Be_Domes_Report.pdf .  Can you tell or another reader tell me how a material that is 88.47% Ti and 6075 parts per million Be can have the steel gray color of Be other than by painting?  I am just not comfortable with that.
 
Mike Klasco also discussed Bogusium in Voice Coil, http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/voxcoil/addenda/media/BogusBeryllium.pdf .  Both the testing and article were about Usher's supplier, Sonic Electronics.
 
My identification of the psychoacoustic Be placebo is a topic of research and has merit.  How else can one explain the preference for loudspeakers?
 
Yours,
 
Steve Mowry

 

Steven Stone -- Thu, 06/11/2009 - 13:26

 An interesting read, worth slogging through to the bitter end.
 
In essence several products are being marketed as Be, that are not Be.
 
 

Steven Stone
Contributor to The Absolute Sound, EnjoytheMusic.com, Vintage Guitar Magazine, and other fine publications

dgad -- Sun, 06/14/2009 - 13:00

benbangkok,
Very interesting article.  I honestly makes auditory sense but in a funny way.  I am not a fan of the sound of any Be tweeters or Plasma tweeters I have heard or recent.  I find the treble too tizzy.  But the only speaker that I did like w. what was supposedly a Be tweeter was the Ushers.  I found the treble liquid and natural.  Mind you I do like the sound of Titanium tweeters and my  bias tends to be towards ribbon tweeters.  Goes to show my ears can tell the difference. 

Chris Martens -- Mon, 06/15/2009 - 16:10

 I read Mr. Mowry's article with interest, too, noting that he quotes from my review of the Usher CP-8571 MkII (although he inadvertently got the spelling of my name wrong--a common mistake). I contacted Usher Audio's US distributor for any comments they might have on the article and received an in-depth reply. With Usher's permission, I am sharing the text of that response with AVguide forum readers, below

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Response from Usher Audio

 

AudioXpress contributing editor Stephen Mowry, has been threatening Usher Audio over the past 10 months regarding the composition of Usher's Be drivers.  Mr. Mowry threatened Usher with the "widespread" release of his article, "The Whole Truth about Beryllium Diaphragms", unless his demands were met:

 

If you fail to reply to me in a reasonable manner, then I will do the following.

 

1.  Work with Brush Wellman and FOCAL; they will purchase Be-718's and perform physical tests on the "Beryllium" tweeter diaphragm.

2. Publish the results within a discussion article on Beryllium and the Loudspeaker Industry and utilize the Internet to distribute the results.”

 

Mr. Mowry’s latest demand/deadline: 

 

"Contact me for a quick solution to your PROBLEM on Monday, 8 June 2009 at +6676 378051".  

 

Mr. Mowry’s e-mail tone wafts of papal syndrome.  Answer to me or else!

 

We are posting Mr. Mowry’s article (on the Usher Web site) so you can decide what his motivation is.  We have also catalogued all of Mr. Mowry's e-mail threats from the past 10 months and will supply the entire exchange on request.

Per the quote above, Mr. Mowry implies that he is working in conjunction with Focal/JM Labs and Brush Wellman, a U.S. maker of beryllium products, (we have not verified this) in his quest to eradicate "fake beryllium" speaker drivers from the world market.  Mr. Mowry has been very thorough in describing all the positive aspects of pure beryllium and why it's the best speaker driver material currently available.   Mr. Mowry's article reads like an infomercial for beryllium and evidently, like ShamWow, beryllium needs a paid spokesman to deliver the “truth."

On the other hand, Mr. Mowry is so intent on the materials aspect of speaker drivers that he seems to have left out some very important aspects of speaker driver performance; specifically, speaker/driver measurements and listening evaluation.  Not once does Mr. Mowry offer any laboratory measurement comparisons of Usher's Be line speakers and Be driver-equipped speakers from Focal/JM Labs or any other brand.  Isn’t the ultimate performance of the speaker what really matters?  In addition, Mr. Mowry cites materials tests of a "fake beryllium" driver, but those tests were not performed on a driver specifically manufactured for Usher.  The remainder of Mr. Mowry's "truth" article is based on hearsay, a mysterious "source" and inference: pretty flimsy stuff from a seasoned speaker designer with Bose cube speakers at the heart of his Hi-Fi credentials.  Now there's some irony!

 

The following are the facts:

 

1.  Usher's original Be driver material was supplied by a major Taiwanese supplier.  Upon being notified by Mr. Mowry of possibly suspect materials being offered by this supplier, Usher had several samples of the original Be driver material tested by an independent materials content lab.  The results, as disclosed earlier in our "News" section, showed a smaller beryllium content than their supplier's claim.  Testing confirmed that the original Be driver is composed of titanium and a smaller portion of beryllium than claimed. 

2. Usher's main concern in this matter is the ultimate performance of their speakers.  Therefore, Usher also re-tested the acoustic performance of the original Be drivers and found it to be superb and to easily meet Usher's minimum criteria for the Dancer Series.  In short, there was no performance deficiency in any of the Usher Be models.  Usher Dancer speaker models, along with the original Be drivers, have received rave reviews by nearly every relevant audio publication in the U.S. and abroad, including Stereophile and The Absolute Sound.  In fact, the Dancer Be-718 was probably the most scrutinized stand mount speaker on the U.S market during 2007-2008.  All independent party laboratory measurements were superb including complete testing done by Stereophile's John Atkinson and the National Research Council of Canada.  Their test results are are available online at the following addresses:

(http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/measurements/speakers/usheraudio_be718/)

(http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/508ush/index4.html).

Bottom line: measured speaker performance cannot be faked and is not an issue here.  Mr. Mowry's so called "beryllium placebo" effect does not apply.

3.  Despite superb test results, and due to what’s been described by Usher as “broken trust,”  Usher elected to drop their original supplier and try driver material from another supplier.  Usher is currently working on a "pure beryllium" driver, but has run into several issues regarding the performance of the new drivers.  Specifically, there is ringing present in some regions of the driver bandwidth.  Mr. Tsai, Usher's CEO, (not “Usher’s transducer engineer,” as Mr. Mowry incorrectly describes him) tells us that as soon as the kinks are tuned out we will be receiving the new drivers.  However, we are skeptical about any performance increase.  We are concerned with the "ringing" issue and have heard complaints from several of our dealers regarding this same issue with other Be drivers from brands we won’t name. Upon arrival of the new drivers, Usher customers will have the option of trading in their original drivers at no cost.  We'll keep you posted.

4. Converse to Mr. Mowry’s opinion cost was not a factor in Usher's original driver supplier choice.  The cost difference between beryllium driver diaphragms provided by Brush Wellman versus Usher's original source is negligible, especially in speakers starting at $2795/pair.  (Focal JM Lab Micro Utopias retail for $7500.00/pair as opposed to the Usher Be-718s, which compete in the same class but are priced much lower at $2795/pair. That’s a fairly significant difference, but not because of the beryllium driver.)  Usher chose their original supplier based on measured performance of the materials supplied and location logistics.  Usher had no reason to doubt the content validity of their original supplier’s materials.  This particular company has been in business for many years and supplies drivers to some of the largest and best-known speaker manufacturers in the world, including some of the companies offering purportedly “legitimate” Be drivers, as mentioned by Mr. Mowry.

5. Usher has obtained one of the “pure” or “legitimate” Be drivers offered by one of the manufacturers Mr. Mowry endorses, and had it tested for material content. The result: it turned out the diaphragm contained less than 14% Beryllium. Our point: it would appear that even the diaphragms Mr. Mowry suggests are made of pure Beryllium are, in fact, alloys of one sort or another.  

6. Mr. Mowry’s claim that “You (Usher) have gone to great lengths to misrepresent your products” is pure bunk.  Besides cost/performance, what motivation would Usher have to use “fake beryllium?”  Conversely, our question to Mr. Mowry is this:  What’s your motivation?  And, who’s paying you for your time?  Could it be an angry competitor that continues to lose market share in the U.S.?  

 

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With apologies to Skakespeare, it sounds like there are more dimensions to the "to Be, or not to Be" question than first meet the eye (or ear).

Best,

Chris Martens

Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision 

benbangkok -- Tue, 06/16/2009 - 17:37

Hi Chris,
 
I wanted to contact you but I could not find your email address anywhere.
I am independent of any company; however, I do worship the god of math and physics.
You quoted me out of context.  
Thanks for the proof read.  I have made the corrections.  You can view them here, http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip .
Hey, and thanks for posting my discussion at the Usher website.  Dr. Linkwitz has a link from his site too, http://www.linkwitzlab.com/links.htm#Transducers%20with%20Beryllium.  If you had told me earlier, it would have saved me a bunch of work.
 
Anyway, I am so pleased that folks now understand that the Usher Be-XXX are really Ti-XXX but with a close color match to Truextent (acoustic grade beryllium).   In 2004 this coloring was identified as paint, http://www.electrofusionproducts.com/userfiles/China_Be_Domes_Report.pdf .  Can you tell or another reader tell me how a material that is 88.47% Ti and 6075 parts per million Be can have the steel gray color of Be other than by painting?  I am just not comfortable with that.
 
Mike Klasco also discussed Bogusium in Voice Coil, http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/voxcoil/addenda/media/BogusBeryllium.pdf .  Both the testing and article were about Usher's supplier, Sonic Electronics.
 
My identification of the psychoacoustic Be placebo is a topic of research and has merit.  How else can one explain the preference for loudspeakers?
 
Yours,
 
Steve Mowry
 

dgad -- Mon, 06/15/2009 - 18:08

I read the reply.  Very interesting.  My single comment aside from the fact that I find Usher's to sound great for the money (and own Wilson Maxx IIs so no bias in my reply) is that the Ringing in the Be tweeters mentioned above is in fact 100% true.  I honeslty feel that some people are not sensetive to this ringing while others such as myself are.  The comments above are 100% correct that performance is much more important than what material the tweeter is made of.  I happen to find the current generation of Wilson's titanium tweeter not to be "hot" sounding if partnered with the right electronics. The Usher having a large composition of Titanium in their tweeters falls in line w. my personal sonic bias as I indicated above.  I have found both Focal and TAD tweeters to have a ringing sound that I could not listen to for more than a few minutes.  I think TAS should look into this but with younger reviewers or with maybe a female reviewer.  It is possible the older reviewers w. less extended high frequency hearing might not be able to hear the ringing.  I have heard the ringing as well w. 2 different speakers using Plasma tweeters.  Again, the people I notice that gravitate to these speakers tend to be older. 

Chris Martens -- Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:03

 Steve Mowry: 
 
Thanks for your follow-up. post  I wanted to provide a couple of clarifications.
 
1. You write, "You quoted me out of context."
 
Actually, I did not quote you at all. Usher Audio did in their response to my request for commentary.
 
2. You write, "Hey, and thanks for posting my discussion at the Usher website."
 
I did not post anything on the Usher Web site, nor would I have any reason or means to do so. Obviously, Usher alone controls whatever is posted on its site. However, it does appear that Usher took you up on the offer you made at the beginning of this thread, which reads, 
 
"You can download my manuscript here, http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip
Feel free to distribute this file."
 
3. What drew me to this thread in the first place is the fact that I have reviewed two Usher speakers (the CP-8571 MkII and the Be-20) that were presented as having Beryllium drivers (the tweeter in the case of the CP-8571 MkII, and both the tweeter and midrange driver in the Be-20). Since your original post called the materials composition of those drivers into question, I thought it made sense to invite the Usher people to offer their comments on the matter.

4. Since your report also questions the materials composition of certain Sonance models, I'm also planning to invite Sonance to comment if they wish.
 
Best,
 
Chris Martens
Playback/AVguide
 

 

Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision 

Stan (not verified) -- Wed, 06/17/2009 - 11:12

Chris,
Mr. Mowry states in his reply he was quoted out of context regarding his association with Focal and Brush Wellman.  In the spirit of proper context here is his entire e-mail:
Gentlemen:
 
 
I have not received reasonable answers to my questions.  Please answer the following.
 
1.  Why did Mr. Tais tell Chris Marten that USHER purchases Be foil from Brush Wellman when in fact USHER does not purchase Be foil form Brush Wellman, http://www.usheraudiousa.com/files/downloads/mr-tais-answers-to-chris-marten.pdf?
 
2.  Do you purchase your Beryllium from SONIC (88.47% Ti + 0.6075% Be) or their former distributor Taiwan Carol, http://www.yingpo.com/english/index.htm?
 
If you fail to reply to me in a reasonable manner, then I will do the following.
 
1.  Work with Brush Wellman and FOCAL; they will purchase Be-718's and perform physical tests on the "Beryllium" tweeter diaphragm.  We have already identified false Beryllium claims from SONANCE (SONIC's Be tweeter dome and plated/painted PP cones) and TANG BAND (CuBe2 dome) through x-ray fluorescence analysis.
 
2. Publish the results within a discussion article on Beryllium and the Loudspeaker Industry and utilize the Internet to distribute the results.
 
If and only if you can provide me with a reasonable explanation of your "Beryllium", then this can be avoided.  As you know, Acoustic Grade Beryllium (98% or better) Foil domes are available from Brush Wellman for about US$30 each in reasonable quantities.  As Mr. Tais correctly indicated, this material is not available from any other source.  If you respect the industry, then please do the right thing.
 
 
Yours,
 
Steve Mowry
 

 
 

benbangkok -- Wed, 06/17/2009 - 12:27

Hi Guys,
 
Thank you for your kind support.
 
Steve
 
http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip
 
 

sheepherder -- Thu, 06/18/2009 - 09:02

Formula 1 teams should be selling their stockpiles of beryllium very soon since FIA and Messers Ecclestone and Mosely are trying to ruin Formula 1 with their cost containment strategy.  These two idiots should have been put out to pasture a long time ago. The cost of beryllium should drop even more. 
Back to speakers driver material means nothing its the sound that counts.  Maybe I start manufacturing tweeters and midrange drivers from skin of the testicles we remove from our ram lambs and use their large intestine linings too. We do it the neuter the old fashioned way. 
Drivers could be made out of sheep sh*t for all I care.  Its the sound that counts.  
Sheepherder
 

Sheepherder
Shenandoah Valley, VA

Why?? (not verified) -- Thu, 06/18/2009 - 05:36

 For it be real BE or not, Usher BE 718 is a good speaker.  Frankly, this is my personal opinion, it does not really affected me for the price i paid for the speakers and of cos you can't be expecting quality finish from Utopia BE and not saying performance.  At the end of the day, it is still the listener's ear and his own preferences.  
Thanks
 

Suteetat -- Thu, 06/18/2009 - 09:12

The article had me worried initially as I am an owner of Be-20. Luckily as soon as I turned on
my stereo system,that anxiety went away very quickly.
When I bought Be-20, I did not really care much one way or another if it has Beryllium drivers or Eaton
woofer or who was involved in the designing nor country of origin. I based my decision on what I heard
and I have to say that, at its price point, I did not find anything else that I would prefer and I would have to
spend significantly more to get better speakers.
If Usher actually uses Titanium or plastic or whatever  instead of Berylium and it sounds the way it is in my room right now,
I would still buy it over other speakers that I had a chance to audition and could afford.
As far as Usher's possible offer to change drivers, I suppose I would consider that if it improves
the speakers' performance. If the drivers offer the same performance but the upgrade is just for the sake
of more Berylium content, I am not sure that I would bother.

Ray (not verified) -- Sat, 06/20/2009 - 01:57

Focal using Be as tweeter, but I don't like the top end performance, the sound is too "float", I am not sure if this is ringing effect.
 
We listen to the "sound" but not just to own the "Be".
If Usher succeed to make the driver better, whatever means should be consider to be the least.
material description is just for interests to me.

Richidoo (not verified) -- Wed, 06/24/2009 - 08:57

I too own Be-20. I was at first quite rattled by Mr. Mowry's Dan-Rather-like sales pitch/expose... My dealer assured me that Usher would have an appropriate response to Mr Mowry's claims, and I am glad to see the response from Usher. I too have no problem with the sound of the speakers, They are breathtakingly detailed, and smooth and fatigue free. Let's not forget Revel's Salon2 drivers except the tweeter are also 100% titanium.   Thanks Stan, keep up the good work...  And thanks to Chris Martens for encouraging this conversation.
Rich

Stan (not verified) -- Thu, 06/25/2009 - 14:23

Latest threat from Mowry...the "lion hearted"
From: stephen mowry [mailto:stephen_mowry [at] hotmail [dot] com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:25 PM
To: usher stan thehighend; info [at] musikmatters [dot] com
Cc: Gordon Brush Wellman
Subject: 96mm Truextent dome
 
Dear Paul and Stan,
 
 
It looks like "The Truth" will be published in the September issue of Voice Coil and at http://www.audioxpress.com/magsdirx/voxcoil/addenda/index.htm
 
Now I would like to reach out to you once more and try to mitigate this situation.  Kindly let me make the following proposal.
 
1.  Send me you purchase order for no less than 200 of the 96mm Truextent Dome that you were quoted on.  This will indicate an intent to upgrade your midrange used in the Be-10 and Be-20.
 
2.  On receipt of your PO, I will take "The Truth" down, delete the file at http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip
 
3.  You then remove your response at http://www.usheraudiousa.com/docs/Be-Response.pdf, delete that file.
 
4.  I will include a reasonable written response from you (Usher Audio) in my proof read manuscript at the end of the article; however, inuendo and personal attacks will not be considered reasonable and I have copyright to my email messages.
 
5.  I will edit the "The Truth" to include language to the effect that you have recieved Truextent domes for both your tweeter and midrange and are working hard to implement corrective action just as soon as possible.
 
6.  I will consider any reasonable request for editting of the "The Truth".
 
7.  I will remove any reference to Dr. Joe D'Appolito from "The Truth".
 
8.  I will ask Vance Dickason to test your tweeter and midrange for gratis and publish the results in a subsequent Voice Coil and grant your reprint rights for your websites.
 
9.  You agree to contiue the goodfaith use of Truextent domes in your Dancer Series Loudspeakers.
 
Let me know if you can accept my proposal or feel free to make a counter proposal.  The deadline set by Voice Coil for the final proof read and edit is 20 July but I need a few days to prepare that.
 
Please remember, that when I first contacted you, I asked you to be reasonable and either change your claims or change your supplier.  You appear to have chosen to change your supplier and I want to support that effort.  This is best for all involved including the industry and how the consumers perceive acoustic beryllium. 
 
 
Yours,
 
Steve
 

staxguy -- Sat, 10/30/2010 - 02:01

This seems like strong-arm tactics, to me.

Staxguy

JLeeMD -- Fri, 10/16/2009 - 15:31

I'm looking at the Usher Be-718...should any of this affect my decision?  What do think Chris Marten?

Chris Martens -- Fri, 10/16/2009 - 16:09

 JLeeMD,
 
I think the proof of the pudding, so to speak, is always in the listening and so would I encourage you to hear the Be-718s to see what you think.

To my ears (and apparently to Robert Harley's ears, judging by the Be-718 review he published in TAS), the Usher Be-718's sound great and offer excellent value for money. 
 
Best, Chris Martens
 

Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision 

JLeeMD -- Fri, 10/16/2009 - 17:41

Thanks Chris...just needed a little reassurance.  I know you must talk with the Usher folks...you have become the "Usher expert" in the U.S.: why is Usher dropping their supplier when this tweeter, although not the one Usher thought they were getting, has been such a standout success (proof in the pudding)?  I am reading and hearing that Usher's decision to correct this situation with a new supplier supplying a "true" Be tweeter is resulting in diminished HF performance. 

Chris Martens -- Mon, 10/19/2009 - 10:32

 JLeeMD,

 

I don't know the status of Usher's possible swtich to a different diaphragm material supplier, though I imagine the decision would be gated by the requirement that the new diaphragm material performs as well or better than the original material did.

 

For more information, may I suggest that you contact Usher's US distributor, MusikMatters Inc., at this address: info [at] musikmatters [dot] com. Alternatively, you could contact them by telephone: Phone: (214) 638-3500 or (214) 704-6082 (they are in the Central Time Zone in the US).

Chris Martens
Editor, Avguide.com/Playback/The Perfect Vision 

JLeeMD -- Mon, 10/19/2009 - 13:14

I just auditioned a pair of their Be-718s...very impressive in its musicality and in the way it sounds like a much bigger speaker.

RS (not verified) -- Fri, 03/26/2010 - 16:12

Well I guess there is something on how honest or reliable a company is.   In Canada we received a lot of usher speakers and specifically the BE 718.  At one point we received a speaker that was damaged.   The speaker  was cracked and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the box.   Despite the fact that the box was shown to be perfect Usher wanted to issue a freight claim.   They eventually sent a replacement speaker and  the driver on the speaker was missing a screw.  Also the finish of the speaker was different than the other speaker.   Later we found out that the crossover in Canada was different than the one being advertised and that we were shown in a trade show.  Also there was no JPS labs wire in the speaker as advertised.  Now we asked Usher to explain these instances of failure to us and we received absolutely no response.   We are a company that makes our living from our reputation so this kind of switcherooo and blatent misrepresentation is not welcomed.  Sure the speaker can sound good but try and answer why is the Berylium tweeter not Berylium..???? Why is the crossover not the same as the one advertised??  Why is there no JPS Labs wire in the box???     We waited for some answers from Usher to these fairly simple requests with no response or explanation to be given to our customers.   We took back speakers for a fraction of the cost and resold them at a loss.   So when someone is asking for an "industry right thing"  try and keep this other information inline with the other BS on the Berylium.   The difference to keep in mind is that if someone tells you say that you bought a leather chair and you actually bought a vinyl chair...  the chair may still feel fantastic but you did not get what you paid for or what was advertised.  
 

Tom Martin -- Fri, 03/26/2010 - 18:01

I believe from an item I wrote a few weeks ago for the Golden Ear Club, that the Usher Be 718 with JPS wiring and modified crossover is called the Be 718 SE. My impression was that this is a US-only product. US and Canadian Usher products (as with many audio products) are handled by different distributors and each distributor determines its exact product line.

PS If you are a dealer or other industry participant, please identify your affiliation in your posts. Thanks.

CEO and Editorial Director, Nextscreen LLC

staxguy -- Sat, 10/30/2010 - 02:17

I hope then that the Canadian Usher products are labeled as such, and an included warning label is placed prominently on the package to say what they do or don't contain, and that consequently they they are not as good as reviewed "US-Model" units. What Hogwash. It does nothing for brand reputation. Sort of how I feel about Audio Note UK vs Kondo. If they're not "the same" products why can't they at least have different model names? Brand confusion.

Canada is so close to the US, that I can't understand why the same products are not sold in both countries. There's no embargo on hi-fi, that I know of. Why should we have inferior Ushers in Canada? It's bad enough that you can't get a genuinely good Cuban cigar in the US when you visit, and have to put up with Dominican knock-offs. that we now have to see this sort of thing arise in audio in Canada?

staxguy -- Sat, 10/30/2010 - 02:17

I hope then that the Canadian Usher products are labeled as such, and an included warning label is placed prominently on the package to say what they do or don't contain, and that consequently they they are not as good as reviewed "US-Model" units. What Hogwash. It does nothing for brand reputation. Sort of how I feel about Audio Note UK vs Kondo. If they're not "the same" products why can't they at least have different model names? Brand confusion.

Canada is so close to the US, that I can't understand why the same products are not sold in both countries. There's no embargo on hi-fi, that I know of. Why should we have inferior Ushers in Canada? It's bad enough that you can't get a genuinely good Cuban cigar in the US when you visit, and have to put up with Dominican knock-offs. that we now have to see this sort of thing arise in audio in Canada?

Nicholas.Bedworth -- Fri, 04/09/2010 - 02:30

Tom's correct AFAIK. The Be 718 with JPS, etc., is U.S. market. There's also a lot of gray-market 718s for sale in the U.S., but an honest seller will tell you they don't have the special U.S. mods. The U.S. version is a total delight.

Nicholas Bedworth  
DigitalDirect Media Services, LLC    Text/voice 1.808.372.2883 (GMT -10)   nicholas [dot] bedworth [at] digitaldirect [dot] com (nicholas.bedworth@digitaldi)

bosell -- Sun, 04/18/2010 - 21:25

 So the magic dust wasn't magic after all. What a surprise. Somebody take on the MIT magic box cables next. LOL. The average audiophile continues to be a hopeless idiot...

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