Talk to Editors of TAS and TPV here on the forum!

akoinuma -- Mon, 12/12/2005 - 12:38

[update Jan 30 2006]
Talk to the editors of The Absolute Sound and The Perfect Vision right here on the User Forum! Please see the post #9 below from Robert Harley, our Editor-in-Chief.

(original text below)
We reorganized the forum to include fewer "rooms" that emcompass larger ranges of topics. But if anybody has any suggestions for expanding or reorganizing further, please don't hesitate to let us know. Thanks!

ESV1955 -- Fri, 12/30/2005 - 21:51

How about a room for discussing the current issue of TAS? Equipment reviews, music review, articles, etc... all fair game. Try to make the readers more aware of the forum. It should be a great place for the exchange of ideas.

Bryston 2BLP Parasound Halo p-3
Infinity Kappa 400 M&K MX-70
NAD T-533 Yamaha MCX-1000
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akoinuma -- Fri, 01/13/2006 - 09:50

ESV1955 [at] AOL [dot] COM wrote:How about a room for discussing the current issue of TAS? Equipment reviews, music review, articles, etc... all fair game. Try to make the readers more aware of the forum. It should be a great place for the exchange of ideas.

Thanks for the input. We thought about the idea, but when we observed other magazines do something like this, we found that there wasn't that much traffic in that room. Of course, we'll add it if many people ask for it.

ari

Ari Koinuma
Web Producer
AVguide.com

tmartin2 -- Sat, 01/21/2006 - 17:18

Where do cable discussions go? Racks?

tmartin2 -- Sat, 01/21/2006 - 17:23

Where do complete systems go? IPod accessories? Wave radios and the like?

Jim Hannon -- Sun, 01/22/2006 - 16:20

I still think that it's very easy to miss the "User Forums" button on the Avguide home page.

If you want more traffic, I would:
1. Change the button, and move it to the top of the screen
2. Advertise the User Forum in TAS and TPV
3. Have more TAS and TPV writers participate in the forum (I know there are time constraints, but that would be a big draw).
4. Consider a "celebrity" hour, where someone like HP is online every Thursday night at 9pm.

akoinuma -- Mon, 01/23/2006 - 12:59

tmartin [at] austin [dot] rr [dot] com wrote:Where do cable discussions go? Racks?

That can go into All Things A/V section.

ari

Ari Koinuma
Web Producer
AVguide.com

akoinuma -- Mon, 01/23/2006 - 13:00

tmartin [at] austin [dot] rr [dot] com wrote:Where do complete systems go? IPod accessories? Wave radios and the like?

Again, All Things A/V is the right "room" for that. It's the "catch-all" topic.

ari

Ari Koinuma
Web Producer
AVguide.com

akoinuma -- Mon, 01/23/2006 - 13:02

jimhannon1 [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:I still think that it's very easy to miss the "User Forums" button on the Avguide home page.

If you want more traffic, I would:
1. Change the button, and move it to the top of the screen
2. Advertise the User Forum in TAS and TPV
3. Have more TAS and TPV writers participate in the forum (I know there are time constraints, but that would be a big draw).
4. Consider a "celebrity" hour, where someone like HP is online every Thursday night at 9pm.

Jim,

Those are all cool ideas. We are going to put a team together to look into promoting the Forum shortly, and we'll consider all of those. Thanks for the input!

ari

Ari Koinuma
Web Producer
AVguide.com

rharleytpv -- Mon, 01/30/2006 - 14:30

I want to let all AVGuide forum participants know that the editors and writers of The Absolute Sound and The Perfect Vision will be engaging in the forum on a regular basis. Bring on your questions, comments, thoughts about the magazines. We'd love to hear from you.

We will also publicize this forum in the magazines so that we get more participants and generate some interesting and stimulating threads. I look forward to seeing you on the forum.

Robert Harley
Editor-in-Chief
The Absolute Sound
The Perfect Vision

dezertcatzx2 -- Tue, 02/07/2006 - 18:57

but I am pleased that it is here. RH writes provocative articles on a regular basis and invites readers' comments. This will make that possible. To all who brought this into fruition, thank you!

nunh -- Sat, 02/11/2006 - 21:42

I really dig the new forum and cannot wait till the rest of our gang hops on. :D I find it neat to be able to engage in conversation with the editors, reviewers, industry-related guests, and, of course, fellow audiophiles/ music lovers.

delicious2 -- Sun, 02/19/2006 - 15:03

:?: In the user agreement it states:

"3. Multiple Reviews
No follow-up reviews or responses to past reviews." Does this mean that follow-up reviews by the same reviewer and response reviews by another reviewer are not allowed? Why not?

"7. Attacks Others
Absolutely no review should be written for the purpose of responding to a past review. This isn't a discussion forum. Any accusations or insults should be reported." I can understand that ad hominem attacks should be forbidden, however, owners of a product writing a review of something already reviewed with a different point of view could be very valuable. I thought this IS a discussion forum... Whats the point of having a forum unless enthusiasts can discuss their experiences, help each other, express different points of view, etc.?

You might want to check the highly successful avsforum and imitate their structure/rules/moderation. As a frequent contributor on that forum, I would also spend time here if the writers and editors of TAS and TPV hang out here and engage openly in discussion.

I suggest you highly encourage forum contributors to fill out some kind of profile doc It could include things like, the individuals philosophy of equipment reviewing, past and current reference systems, drawings of listening/viewing rooms, personal biases, corporate affiliations if any, years of experience and what type, etc. This would get things more out in the open and give users a better idea of who they are discussing with and where they are coming from.

thanks,
Mark H

akoinuma -- Tue, 02/21/2006 - 11:01

Mark wrote::?: In the user agreement it states:

"3. Multiple Reviews
No follow-up reviews or responses to past reviews." Does this mean that follow-up reviews by the same reviewer and response reviews by another reviewer are not allowed? Why not?

"7. Attacks Others
Absolutely no review should be written for the purpose of responding to a past review. This isn't a discussion forum. Any accusations or insults should be reported." I can understand that ad hominem attacks should be forbidden, however, owners of a product writing a review of something already reviewed with a different point of view could be very valuable. I thought this IS a discussion forum... Whats the point of having a forum unless enthusiasts can discuss their experiences, help each other, express different points of view, etc.?

You might want to check the highly successful avsforum and imitate their structure/rules/moderation. As a frequent contributor on that forum, I would also spend time here if the writers and editors of TAS and TPV hang out here and engage openly in discussion.

I suggest you highly encourage forum contributors to fill out some kind of profile doc It could include things like, the individuals philosophy of equipment reviewing, past and current reference systems, drawings of listening/viewing rooms, personal biases, corporate affiliations if any, years of experience and what type, etc. This would get things more out in the open and give users a better idea of who they are discussing with and where they are coming from.

thanks,
Mark H

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your observations and suggestions. The portion of the user agreement you quoted refers to user reviews of products in the review section, not in the forums. Obviously we are all for healthy discussions in the forums, and encourage them in the forum. We'll look into tweaking our user agreement to better articulate this.

We'll also consider your other suggestions seriously. Thanks again for your input!

Sincerely,

Ari Koinuma
AVguide.com

Ari Koinuma
Web Producer
AVguide.com

suekraft -- Fri, 03/03/2006 - 07:53

Jim wrote:I still think that it's very easy to miss the "User Forums" button on the Avguide home page.

I very strongly agree. It took me several trips back here to finally notice the link. It also took awhile to figure out that I had to login to my avguide.com account in order to post. I kept looking for a link in the forum somewhere to register. I finally tried to reply to a post and that's when I was asked to register to avguide.com. Maybe this ought to be made more clear, as I was about ready to give up. You have to make this place easier to find and use if you want more participation. And now that I've managed to figure it out, where's all the people I've been sending over here? :-)

SK

Jim Hannon -- Fri, 03/03/2006 - 11:07

I don't know whether the software allows it, but a spell-checker would be great, too.

Woode kepe de forem moore littrate. :D

suekraft -- Sun, 03/05/2006 - 11:59

Quote:I don't know whether the software allows it, but a spell-checker would be great, too.

And a thesaurus. I need all the help I can get :-)

The red forum link is much easier to spot.

SK

Jim Hannon -- Sun, 03/05/2006 - 20:46

Sue wrote:. . . The red forum link is much easier to spot.

SK

I AGREE!
Thanks for making the Forum link easier to spot.
I think it will help.

ilxman -- Tue, 04/10/2007 - 16:50

I had trouble understanding how to post replies. I wanted to direct a post to TAS staffers (and everyone else) here but it is under a different topic: "Suggestion from a long-time concerned reader..."

Tom Martin -- Tue, 04/10/2007 - 19:26

The post mentioned above is in this section (All Things A/V)

CEO and Editorial Director, Nextscreen LLC

ilxman -- Wed, 04/11/2007 - 10:42

A certain columnist at another mag has made a point of engaging mainstream pundits on matter of high-performance audio. I would urge the folks at TAS to do the same where possible. For example, have a look at the following column at Slate, an online mag directed at an educated, higher-earning demograpic with refined tastes and higher-than-average income: http://www.slate.com/id/2163508/fr/flyout . (Pay particular attention to the second sentence of the second paragraph!)

Both mags and industry associations need to be more vigilant in countering this notion that high-quality, uncompressed digital is irrelevant to musical enjoyment--in the public square and not just when preaching to the audiophile choir.

James23 -- Tue, 01/15/2008 - 01:42

I find it neat to be able to engage in conversation with the editors, reviewers, industry-related guests, and, of course, fellow audiophiles/ music lovers.

HarrisonS -- Sat, 02/16/2008 - 12:40

I would really like to get some feedback from the editors, regarding the changes made over the last year or two to TPV. The magazine abandoned its loyal high end readership in an effort to become the National Inquirer of A/V. For years I greatly prized TPV and held it as my very favorite of all of the magazines to which I subscribe. Here is a part of post that I made on another thread:

Quote:The tragedy actually seems to have begun a couple of years ago and grew worse as the magazine deteriorated. There seems to have been a concerted effort by the editors to abandon the high-end roots of TPV. Over time attention shifted to more low-end gear and to the dumbing down of the contents (example: the shifting of the more technical details of equipment reviews to the web). To add insult to injury, they began using titles using inane alliterations and extreme adjectives like "awesome" and "super duper". It seems as if The Perfect Vision was trying to compete with tabloids like The National Inquirer or The Midnight Star! It looks like TPV, in making these changes alienated its loyal readership base.

I certainly hope TAS remains true (as it has so far) to its high-end readership. If it made the same changes as did TPV it would be devoting the bulk of its reviews to things like boom boxes under $50, using inane titles like "Boom Box Blowout!" or "Blaster Bonanza!"

If these changes were made "to appeal to a wdier readership" it was certainly ill-advised! In so doing TPV abandoned its loyal core readership of high end users, and became just another also-ran among other established magazines that already appeal to this "wider readership". In doing this, TPV brought about its own demise!

Harrison S.

Tom Martin -- Sun, 02/17/2008 - 11:28

Harrison -- thanks for the comments.

From one perspective, the simple reality is that there weren't enough loyal high end readers of TPV, despite our regular investment of large (6 figure, which is big for us) annual sums in finding and enticing them to read the magazine. That isn't a message blaming the readers (which would be crazy), it is a statement about the size of the high end home theater market relative to the number of publications and sites serving it.

Perhaps this market size problem is understandable in the following context.

The last issue of TPV (Jan 2008) summarized our reviews from the past year or so to give Editor's Choice Awards; in those awards I find several ~$5000 flat panels, 6 video projectors (up to $26,000), a $6700 controller, a $10,000 speaker system, two video processors, a $3500 sub among other items. Many of the other products in this roundup are priced at premium levels relative to the market (e.g. the average flat panel in 2007 sold for a little under $1000; the least expensive editor's choice display was $2200). If such products are the home theater equivalent of $50 boomboxes in audio, then I can see where we went wrong. The home theater market may well have a small but passionate very high end, in which $5000 flat panels are "entry level", and $30,000 speaker systems are the norm. Then there may be relatively few people in the middle of the market, and a lot at the "low-end".

Anyway, it helps to be more specific about readers' likes and dislikes. Take a look at Scott Wilkinson's coverage of 47" flat panels in the TPV section of Playback (Issue 5):

http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200802web/

Too low end? Not enough technical information? Too few displays? Wrong models?

That kind of feedback will help.

Thanks.

CEO and Editorial Director, Nextscreen LLC

discman -- Sat, 02/23/2008 - 10:32

I thought the information in the reviews was great. The main thing I missed was a summary that made it easier to compare the different displays. Actually, I would have liked that summary near the beginning. Then I could jump to what I'm interested in.

madden2011 -- Sun, 01/09/2011 - 03:16

My subwoofer specs states it can go down to 13 Hz, but my amplifier can only go as low as 20 Hz.  Does this mean the subwoofer capablilities exceeds the limitations of the receiver?  Or am I confusing bandwith rating (20 Hz to 20 kHz at maximum total harmonic distortion 0.08%) with actual capability not stated in the manual?  Please help.  Dazed and confused.  Also, what receivers out there are capable of putting out ultra-low bass.

Robert Harley -- Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:20

Your amplifier will deliver power at 13Hz unless it has been intentionally band-limited (unlikely). The 20Hz spec is as you suspect; the lowest frequency at which the amplifier can deliver its rated power and distortion. This is, however, a moot point if you drive the subwoofer with the subwoofer-output jack, which is a line-level signal that isn't amplified by the receiver's amplifier section. In short, the receiver will deliver 13Hz to the subwoofer (if 13Hz is present in the recording, which is unlikely).

madden2011 -- Tue, 01/11/2011 - 02:41

Thank you for clearing up the subwoofer and the amplifier mystery for me. I feel much better now. In a way I'm glad 13 Hz isn't present in most recordings because one, I can't hear it and two, the neighbor upstairs would probably complain about it.

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