Suggestions for an integrated amp for about $3,000 ?

default -- Sat, 08/16/2008 - 10:02

Hello,

I am looking to build a two channel only system using the Usher Be-718's on proper stands with the Ayre CD-7x CD player or the new Bryston BCD-1 with some model of Kimber XLR interconnects and speaker cables of similar quality along with the VTI rack and PS Audio Power Port and power cords that I have already.

What I want to do is this: invest in an integrated amplifier that is as follows: at or about $3,000.00 USD (no more than $4,000.00 USD though), XLR/balanced inputs to make the best use of the CD player and the better S/N ratio and "drive" of balanced signals since we like a very punchy and dynamic sound, KT88's in ultralinear mode only with at least 70WPC RMS and autobiasing (although I know how to do it very well), (I do not like the sound of EL34's one bit), solid state would be OK though if at least 100WPC RMS, remote control, American !! (not Cary Audio or Cayin or Prima Luna for personal reasons regarding very disrespectful interaction with the owners of the latter two and having worked at Cary Audio in 2004, I will never give that man or his company a penny of income. Enough said though.

I am considering the Bryston 100WPC model without the DAC option or perhaps a Parasound A21 power amplfier with the lower end P3 preamplifier (I know that the Parasound combo is not an integrated set up then, let alone tubed) or maybe the McIntosh integrated at 100WPC.

Is there a tube integrated out there that uses XLR/balanced inputs (such as the Graaf GM50) but doesn't cost what that does ?

Does Manley make anything using KT88's or that could be biased or modified to use KT88's instead of EL34's ? (such as with JJ KT88's at about 35 to 40 mA each ?)

Can a single ended/RCA input be modified to become a balanced/XLR input or is there too much circuit performance variations needing to be done due to topology or signal levels, etc. ?

None of the Cary Audio or Cayin or Prima Luna use XLR and I refuse to support either of those lines any way. I know that Krell makes a model but I never once liked the sound of any Krell product as they are so ice cold clinical and etched (unlike music).

While my wife is an avid audiophile too who knows that KT in KT88 means kinkless tetrode !! and loves the blues and jazz and gospel that we listen to in dedicated listening sessions in the evening with a glass of Merlot or coffee for that matter at very, very low listening levels so we hear the most delicate nuances, we do like the way a powerful amplifier sounds even though we use only a fraction of its capacity.

Basically, if I could get an Audio Research VS115 and put a remote control and volume control in it, my search would be over although it would cost much more. I eagerly await your ideas and supporting commentary please.

Robert Harley -- Sat, 08/16/2008 - 14:23

This is a bit over your budget, but the BAT VK-300 is a fabulous integrated amplifier, and is available in a variety of configurations (solid-state, tubed, or "Super Tube" preamp stage) and has 150Wpc of output power.

VTL's entry in this range is the IT-85 at $3750, but I don't believe it has balanced inputs (I'm not certain on this point).

I would definitely not attempt to add balanced inputs to an integrated that came with only unbalanced inputs.

I have some information about an upcoming tubed integrated amplifier that will probably be in your price range, but the information is under embargo until September 10. The predecessor of this new product was outstanding, and it comes from one of the most respected and oldest American high-end companies.

If you go the separates route, check out the Vincent Audio SP-331 power amplifier (tube solid-state hybrid) at $1199 and the Rogue Metis preamp ($995) or Van Alstine Transcendence 8 preamp ($1099 without phono).

I would hold off for a couple of weeks so that you have the option of the forthcoming tubed integrated amplifier I mentioned.

neil.gader -- Wed, 08/20/2008 - 15:47

Also a bit over your budget is the Cambridge Audio Azur 840E and 840W separates. Great sound and tehcnology, balanced or unbalanced. the amp uses Cambridge's proprietary XD topology which gives them the linearity of pure Class A with the economy and power of Class B all with inherently lower distortion than typical Class AB. The W has 200Wpc or 500W in bridged mode! My review will be appearing in Issue 186. Price is $1699 for the preamp and $2499 for amp. terrific products.

Neil Gader Associate Editor The Absolute Sound

Chris Johnsen -- Sun, 08/24/2008 - 15:56

Tom,

I agree with Mr. Harley on his recommendation of a Balanced Audio Technology VK-300. About 2 years ago I purchased a used, year-old BAT VK-300 SE for around $3K to use with my Von Schweikert VR4jrs and Esoteric DV-50 player.

The previous owner had been using it with VR4jrs as well and was extremely happy with the sound and I have to agree. I've since added a pair of Usher Be-718's into my system and it is also a great combo. I highly recommend this integrated amp. New, it's double your price range but you can now find them used for under or around $3K on Audiogon, depending on the options (remote, phono stage, "SuperTube").

Mr. Harley is also correct in that the very attractive VTL IT-85 does not have any balanced outputs and it only has half the power of the BAT VK-300.

Chris Johnsen
Music Fan / Gear Fan

Anonymous -- Mon, 08/25/2008 - 10:16

To Mr. Harley, Mr. Gader, and Zen ...

Thank you all for your assistance and insight in this endeavor. I am strongly curious to hear and learn about the forthcoming American-made tube integrated that Mr. Harley mentioned to me to keep an eye out for. Please, if you would, let me know when it comes out and perhaps a link or way to learn about it ? That would be much appreciated as well.

Again, gentlemen, thank you all very much.

Anonymous (not verified) -- Mon, 01/19/2009 - 16:11

Mr Harley,
What integrated amp with the Sept 08 release were you referring to?  Thanks.

SKR (not verified) -- Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:29

mr.Harley,
I would be also looking forward to this new Tube amp as I love tube amps and it will make a good match for my Quads 2805.
I recently Had a chance to listen to a demo of BAT VK-300 and I really liked them and would have bought them if they were VK-300XE with super tubes. So I auditioned the PASS-INT 150 and mcIntosh MA-6600 and ultimately bought the Mac as I found it much better than BAT and PASS
SKR

cmalak -- Fri, 06/26/2009 - 14:17

What about the Simaudio i5.3 (85W/ch and I believer aorund $3900 new) or a used Simaudio i7 (150W/ch and around $6900 new)? Both units have balanced inputs and are very neutral designs, with very solid dynamic range, and great build quality. I know they are solid state designs and it seems like you were looking for KT88-based tube integrated but I think these are worth an audition at least. I don't own them so not talking my book but auditioned them extensively and really liked what they could do. Hope this helps.

cmalak -- Fri, 06/26/2009 - 15:20

My other recommendation that might work very nicely for you is the Pathos Logos integrated amp, which is a hybrid design (tube pre-amp and solid state output rated @ 110W/ch). I believe the unit new is mid-$5K so above your price range but again, you can find quite a few used units on Agon. It's smaller sibling, the Classic One (Mk III), is a 70W/ch hybrid design, similar to the Logos, and I believe retails @ $2895 new. Both units are beautiful to look at and to listen to. While output stages of both units are solid state, the pre-amp stages give you a touch of tube sound, while the output stages give you solid control on the bottome end. I had a friend who owned the Logos and loved it. I thought t sounded great as well.

JLeeMD (not verified) -- Fri, 06/26/2009 - 17:31

How about the Primare I30...has balanced in/out, 100 w/ch, ~$2500.

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