Second Look: Meridian 808.2i

Tom Martin -- Sun, 07/12/2009 - 16:29

Robert sent me the 808 that he tested in TAS Issue 194. I installed it yesterday, connecting its' variable balanced outputs directly to my power amps (RH recommended this arrangement). Obviously these are first impressions, but here are my listening notes:
 
. Music sounds very relaxed and unforced; is it less dynamic than normal or has artificial edge been removed?
 
. Stage depth is impressive, and it appears that performers are located slightly farther back than normal
 
. Instrumental separation is outstanding -- much less sense that instuments are part of a wall of sound; much more sense that each instument exists as a specific entity
 
. instruments sound as if a very low level grunge has been removed -- clearer yet less sharp or edgy
 
. High frequencies are not at all soft, nor are they hard, but HF level seems a little lower; if this were my player I might rebalance the system slightly
 
. Re-balancing idea is reinforced by a sense that the bass, while very articulate could be stronger or punchier (but might be just a balance issue)
 
. I'm happy playing music at higher levels than is normally the case; dynamics are more enjoyable
 
. High frequencies sound very fine grained; maybe not as extended as some?
 
. Sibilants seem more natural than is normally the case -- like the difference between spoken sibilants and amplified sibilants
 
. Difficult to capture the significance of this change -- it is the product of things I didn't know were there being removed
 
The Meridian (and its technology) strikes me as a very signficant product. At the same time, I can imagine many people auditioning it and asking "what's the big deal?" I say that because the 808 doesn't dramatically "do" something (whereas, adding a sub to mini-monitors does something you can't miss; room correction does something you can't miss; dipoles create a sense of space different from forward facing speakers; horns do dynamics differently than electrostatics; etc.). If one were to audition the Meridian in a store on an unfamiliar system one might miss the things it subtracts (because you'd be listening to so many new phenomena at once). It isn't that what the Meridan does isn't obvious (I've played a total of only 25 tracks and the ideas above starting coming out right away). It is that it is subtle enough to be swamped by other factors.
 
If ever there were a product that demonstrates that subtle can be meaningful, this is it.
 
(FYI, associated equipment: mbl 101e loudspeakers, mbl 9008 power amps, Wireworld Gold Eclipse interconnects, Tara The One speaker cables, RPG Binary Amplitude Diffusors, RPG Flutterfree, RPG Modex.)
 

Robert Harley -- Mon, 07/13/2009 - 09:35

Those impressions are consistent with my own. You make an interesting observation that the 808.2 doesn't "do" something that makes it stand out. Rather, it's what the Merdian doesn't do that makes it special. It is a little "soft" and "gentle" sounding, but in the way that live music or analog is. I didn't mention it in my review, but I agree with your observation that the 808.2 encourages higher playback levels.

Dexter Ewel (not verified) -- Thu, 07/23/2009 - 07:55

In what were otherwise excellent reviews of the Meridian 808.2 and DSP 7200's in Issue 184, I thought it odd that there was almost no discussion of how the 808.2 performed with sources other than CD.  Anyone purchasing an 808.2 will most likely use a range of high-resolution sources, including a music server, streaming audio from a computer, or a phono preamp, not to mention SACDs.  Any thoughts regarding the use of the 808.2 as a true preamp for these sources?  Thanks.

Robert Harley -- Thu, 07/23/2009 - 15:54

The 808.2i (the "i" version has an integral preamplifier) will work fine as a DAC decoding external digital sources, with all the benefits of the apodising filter, DACs, and analog output stage. The preamplifier section was outstanding, but not quite as neutral or resolving as, say, the Spectral DMC-30SS.

JR-1 (not verified) -- Sun, 07/26/2009 - 12:23

The preamp section was not as resolving as the Spectral ? I thought *no* preamp was better - you said it.....

Tom Martin -- Sun, 07/26/2009 - 06:53

Robert's comments, I think, primarily reference feeding red book sources into the 808. But do note that the 808 will not decode SACD.  And there is the issue of  jitter with non-CD sources that make RH's comment inevitably dependent on the exact source in question.
 
I have not had time to test the 808 as an analog preamp, which is how it would have to be used for SACD, but we have RH's findings above.
 

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Robert Harley -- Tue, 07/28/2009 - 10:20

To clarify my comment, putting an analog source through the Meridian 808.2's analog preamp and then through the Spectral DMC-30SS suggests that the Spectral is more resolving than the Meridian; that is the Meridian is not as transparent as the Spectral. In either case, however, bypassing the preamp is the best solution.

JR-1 (not verified) -- Tue, 07/28/2009 - 12:00

Thanks for clearing-up. I don't know of anyone who would run an analog source through a CD player/preamp - so this was a very interesting comparison !!

David Matz -- Thu, 08/05/2010 - 21:43

Mr. Harley,
 
In a few of your recent reviews, your reference system shows the dCS Puccini + clock.  Now that you have lived with the dCS unit, do you have any thoughts on Meridian vs. dCS?

Robert Harley -- Sun, 08/08/2010 - 10:56

I just took delivery of the Meridian 808.3. In addition to playing discs in it, I'm using it as a DAC for the Meridian Sooloos music server, connected via Ethernet. When it comes to liquidity of timbre, dimensionality, smoothness, and ease, the 808.3 is the best I've heard. This is particularly true of older CDs that sound hard and flat in most players. The dCS has wider dynamics, tighter and punchier bass, greater definition in the low end, and more precise pitch articulation. It also plays SACDs, which the Meridian does not. They are both reference-grade, but differ in their presentations.

Sam -- Wed, 08/11/2010 - 23:03

Robert, It would be nice if you could report in an upcoming review on how the New Sooloos server sounds going throught the Meridian 808.3 Vs. Going through your Berkeley DAC. From What I have seen on ads etc....it seems that Meridian has really made a strong effort in making the Sooloos a great companion of the 808.3 player and have designed the two products to work well in conjunction. It would be nice to know how each of the two Meridian Products stand working with each other; the 808.3 as a CD player and a DAC for any other music server; and the Sooloos as a source/transport on its own with another DAC other than the Meridian. I wonder if the Cabling and connections designed by Meridian make a difference......it sure does appear that way...... looking forward to the next developments and findings from you. We surely are headed in a new direction with cutting edge digital audio....and that too...all of a sudden.

Robert Harley -- Thu, 08/12/2010 - 12:35

I'm planning on writing about the Meridian Sooloos and the 808.3 in an upcoming issue.

Ded Frag -- Wed, 01/12/2011 - 18:02

 I've run a Meridian 808.2 since they were first released and find myself unable to put on my critical audiophile hat when listening to well recorded CD's. It's a cliché comparison but to my ears the 808.2 sounds more 'analogue' than any digital component I've previously heard. I doubt I could analyze the specific quirks of this component as the music just keeps seducing me. This from someone who until the 808.2 has hated RedBook CD since its inception. Finally we get CD right when it's about to become obsolete ! 

Robert Harley -- Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:43

That has been my experience as well. The 808.3 has an ease that no other CD playback I've heard can match.

Zak -- Tue, 02/01/2011 - 00:45

 I own a Meridian 808 i mk 1 , do you know whether I can upgrade it ?

branislav -- Sat, 02/05/2011 - 20:14

 I'd be very curious to see how it compares to the Playback Design which according to the reviews as well as my personal experience has very analog sound, with a tremendous depth. 

jtein -- Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:36

Messrs Harley and Martin, how would you rate the Meridian 808i.2 (now in its 808.3 iteration) with the Esoteric X-03 SE in respect of red book CD playback? My guess is that the 808.2's sound stage, instrumental separation, spatial quality and high freqency is superior to the X-03 SE. But how about the 808.2's bass? Is it as articulate and hard-hitting as the X-03 SE? How about the dynamics betwen these two? 

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