Proac Response D Two - others with these speakers

Paul -- Thu, 02/11/2010 - 12:39

Just looking to hear from others who may own these newer model of Proac speakers. I just picked up a pair and they are only a few days old and far from burned in, but I am stunned by their overall abilities. They sell for around $3,300 per pair, and I really can't imagine needing to have much more than this in a speaker. I have heard lots of systems with speakers in the $10k - $30k range, and they don't all necessarily have the "magic" musical quality that I personally look for. These really have a liquid sound and crazy dynamics, all music jumps to life with these.
BTW, these small speakers lack nothing in the bass department, and spec is 30hz - 30khz.
Any comments from other owners, and any opinions from the folks at Absolute Sound or elsewhere and any plans to review the new Proac Response D One and D Two?
Paul

Mr Plus -- Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:47

 Er... we have:
 
www.avguide.com/review/tested-proac-response-d-two-loudspeaker
 
I've also got a set in as basis for a long-term project.
 
Don't forget, there's no such thing as too much mass when it comes to a loudspeaker stand for the D Two. The ones made specifically for them in the UK (the HMS 2, by Atacama) are designed to take 100lbs of mass-loading per side.

Alan Sircom
Editor, Hi-Fi Plus Magazine
London, England
editor [at] hifiplus [dot] com

Paul -- Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:30

That's a good tip, thanks Alan. I am going to check into those and see also what my local dealer has. I suspect I don't have an optimum setup yet and will need to experiment more, but if doing so improves the sound beyond it's already excellent state, then WOW!
I am currently using some B&W 26 inch high stands that are made of two steel rectangle tubes filled fully with sand, so each stand is about 50 pounds. They are spiked on the bottom and I am using a combination of blu tac and corregated rubber isolation feet between bottom of speaker and stand.
Other than blu-tac, are there any products recommended to use between the bottom of the speaker and top of stand that provide optimum isolation for these speakers, or would the stands you recommend take care of that?
Paul

Paul

Mr Plus -- Thu, 02/11/2010 - 16:05

Blu tac is fine, although the company that makes the stands in the UK also make little sticky gel pads that sit between stand and speaker. I don't know if these are sold internationally, or if they are sold under a different name.

The B&W stands sound fine. I wouldn't worry about the extra mass.

Alan Sircom
Editor, Hi-Fi Plus Magazine
London, England
editor [at] hifiplus [dot] com

Paul -- Tue, 04/06/2010 - 14:31

I found a pair of stands that work well with the Proac Response D 2. An image can be seen here. They are the 24 inch high version.

http://www.charismaaudio.com/FunctionS1.jpg

I discovered through (weeks of...) experimentation that these stands work best in my situation (carpeted and suspended flooring) when:

1. filled with sand, but not to the very top. Leave a couple of inches of area free in the top of the stand.

2. make sure the carpet spikes make contact with the flooring beneath the carpet. How much contact makes a significant difference. Too much contact, and the bass excites the floors too much and the bass can get boomy. The 3 adjustable feet allow you to level the stands, but also since the spikes are over 1 inch long you can have the spikes not touch the floor, touch it lightly, or make firm contact. Again, I found that in my case the bass (and even the highs) are better controlled when all the spikes have light contact with the wood flooring, but with the carpet doing some of the support beneath the stand. If they are adjusted so that the bottom of the stands do not even touch the carpet (the full weight is on the spikes alone) the resulting bass is loose.

3. Between speaker bottom and stand I have placed some very simple and small 1/4 inch high x 1/4 inch wide circular (clear) stick-on rubber feet. You can buy these at any hardware store for $2.00 a dozen, and in fact they ship with many speakers. My previous B&W 685's included some in the shipment. I tried every imaginable other type of feet under the speaker bottoms and none came close to matching what these pads do. I also tried blu-tac in varying amounts, and a number of vibrapod and similar type of absorbing "hi-fi" products, and none of them worked. Many of the hi-fi type products, and even the blu-tac, removed the air and transparency around instruments and collapsed the soundstage.

4.  Place the speakers well away from walls to control bass. I have mine setup 3 feet from the back and side walls. Anything closer and the bass can get boomy. This is in a 12 x 26 foot room with 9 foot ceilings.

The speakers have been setup nicely for the last 2 weeks now, with no further tweaking required. Just lots of nice music and no desire to change anything now. The Proac's make great music, not hi-fi sounds....

Paul

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