Plasma Screen Burn In

default -- Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:01

Are Plasmas still really susceptable to screen burn in or image retention? Every person I know who has a plasma has some kind of burn in on there set.  This is never talked about in reviews. Why not?  Have the really newer sets gotten better at this? Yes, Plasmas have a better picture quality than LCD's, but until they address this very disturbing issue, they will fade away.

Bill lcd (not verified) -- Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:02

Are Plasmas still really susceptable to screen burn in or image retention? Every person I know who has a plasma has some kind of burn in on there set.  This is never talked about in reviews. Why not?  Have the really newer sets gotten better at this? Yes, Plasmas have a better picture quality than LCD's, but until they address this very disturbing issue, they will fade away.

ChronoSound (not verified) -- Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:35

 The issue of Plasmas having burn in is a dead issue. Now I am speaking about Pioneer and Panasonic sets that have pixel orbitors, white bars and autoshut off.  The screens are also more resilient to burn in as well. I work part time in a very high end Home Theater sound. I have found no burn in on any of my TV's but I will say that the Samsung set the PNB850 and 860 are not as good.  What is unknowing to the mass market is that LCDs do get burn in as well. Though it has a higher threshold than that of a plasma. At the end of the day burn in is a non-issue with the current Plasma sets and if you do get one it boils down to owner negligence. 

larmurf (not verified) -- Tue, 11/17/2009 - 08:09

"The issue of Plasmas having burn in is a dead issue" Rubbish
I have a Pioneer Plasma PPD-427OXD which says manufactured October 2006 on the back I know I paid around £1500 for it
I have got very bad burn in from watching too much teletext. I don't feel that I got adequate warning about this or possibly I listened to
or read advice from people who did not know what they were talking about. I have read that there is no cure for this So people
don't believe the people who tell You that Burn In is a thing of the past - It is not!!

phillyb (not verified) -- Thu, 10/01/2009 - 14:44

I have had a Kuro Pioneer Plasma for over 1-1/2 years with no burn-in issues. This is a myth...abuse the set and like a CRT or LCD you can get a burned in image...but that really takes some doing now days. Plasmas rule as far as picture quality goes, if you like a cartoon like color and brightness then buy LCD, great for gaming I hear. But if you want to really enjoy a movie experience by plasma and a Pioneer while you can, eveything is #2. 

Dougie (not verified) -- Fri, 10/23/2009 - 14:06

Under normal use, current generation plasma and lcd tvs will not experience any image retention (burn-in). Television programs have commercials (think of this as your free screen saver). 4 x 3 program material should ALWAYS be viewed utilizing an expansion mode that you can live with (think side stretch). This will become less of an issue as more 16 x 9 content is being produced and broadcast. Contrary to popular belief, lcd tvs are NOT immune to image retention (burn-in). 2.35:1 program material (Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Fifth Element) is acceptable in a home environment because you would usually watch only one movie per evening, otherwise you would be watching tv content. In a retail setting (where I work) this could be an issue on any of the tvs, including lcd tvs,  if we were to loop the same movie from opening time to closing time every day of the week. In the 42 inch and larger sizes I would buy a plasma over an lcd because of the plasmas superior picture quality.

perlopsych (not verified) -- Thu, 11/19/2009 - 12:54

Dear Doug,
I've been watching my Pioneer Kuro 151 for almost a year-and-a-half with no burn-in, and I never watch 4x3 programs in "stretch" mode; plus I use black, as opposed to grey, side bars. Before my Kuro, I had a 50 inch Pioneer Elite hdtv for three years, and watched it the same way ... before I gave it to my son ... no burn-in.

dalebesh (not verified) -- Thu, 11/19/2009 - 14:50

Part of the problem, is many associate 'burn-in' with image retention (IR). They are not the same thing. Some displays are more susceptible to IR, but even that has improved significantly in the last few years. All modern displays contain the same cautions against burn-in in their owners manual, as well as Burn In protection schemes to rotate pixels, run scrolls or a white screen to remove persistent IR, etc.
Common sense and a couple of hundred hours on the display without constant 4:3 viewing with no gray side bars, excess contrast, or fixed images on the screen for a prolonged hours, will generally be all that's needed. For the best picture have it calibrated, or use Avia or other cal disk to correctly adjust contrast and brightness (as well as color, tint, sharpness, gamma, etc.) will go a long way in giving you a very natural and impressive image to watch for years to come.

Moctane (not verified) -- Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:15

I see a mixture of good information here but, also some that is misleading or false.
For normal viewing - movies and television, burn in should not be an issue for a modern plasma sets. However, that does not mean that it is not susceptible under any circumstances.
Burn-in is most likely to occur when there is a stationary image or object displayed, for long periods of time, that is bright or white in color. The brighter the image and the higher the contrast level, the quicker that burn-in will start to be noticeable ( long term ). If this just occurs for a few hours, then watching normal programming for the next few days or, using a built-in white screen to erase the affected area should remove the residual image.
The greatest danger comes from two primary sources: Use as a computer monitor and video games. These sources are notorious for displaying images that have stationary objects such as the desktop icons and taskbar and in the case of games, on-screen displays. The OSDs are usually in the corners of the screen and provide information about scores and such. These are typically white and depending on usage, can be on screen in the same spot for hours at a time.
Permanent burn-in is not going to occur if these objects are just displayed for an hour or two. Permanent scarring will only happen if the images are left on for many consecutive hours or, repeatedly for several hours a day over the course of several months. This is reason why I recommend caution, discipline and common sense to anyone who wants to play videogames on a plasma and why LCD is perhaps a better option for serious gamers.
So, if you are conservative with the contrast levels and don't leave stationary bright/white objects on screen for extended periods of time, a modern plasma should be able to give you many years of service without risk of burn-in. In fact, if you want to entend the life of your plasma, I recommend that for the first 30 days of use, you set your brightness and contrast settings to no more than 50% to allow a nice, gentle break-in period. This should be followed by a rudimentary setup with a calibration disc to balance the set for color, tint, brightness and contrast.
Your phosphors will thank you later.

mongoose (not verified) -- Mon, 11/23/2009 - 15:31

I now own my 3rd plasma TV. (owned 2 Panasonics and one Phillips). Never had a problem with burn-in or image retention. I have fallen asleep with an image on the screen all night.....and no problem. There are alot of LCD owners who are driven to attack plasma to make themselves feel better about their purchase. I own a Sharp LCD and an Infocus DLP projector also. Nothing like a plasma in my experience, unless you are talking the top of the line LCD's and LED's. Still I would put up a Pioneer or Panasonic top of the line plasma up against any of them. The LCD "buzz" (LCD sales slogans)seems to be lessening lately as plasma prices drop....thank goodness  

timaeus (not verified) -- Mon, 11/23/2009 - 17:20

  For movie watching burn-in is not much of an issue; however it is a serious issue when watching television.
All sports and news shows have crawlers above and or below the picture where they stream information, scores, news, etc. Although the content is moving, the box it moves in is not and remains fixed in the same place. 
Also ALL channels - cable and network - now have their station logo permanently affixed in either the lower right or left corner of the screen for the duration of the show. Some, such as the History Channel are quite large with bright vivid colors. Since these stationary logos are usually in the same area of the screen, regardless of channel, these areas can burn in for hours every night.
As a consequence,  my 2008 Panny 40", now has "smudges" in those areas of the screen.
I notice that the PR for  the Plasma companies have dealt with the problem by simply renaming it -" image retention" sounds less destructive than "burn-in", which they continually claim is a "thing of the past".  Rename it and it goes away, I guess.

Khorn -- Sat, 03/13/2010 - 10:41

I'm not taking any chances on burn-in
with my Kuro Elite 111fd. I'm saving this for high quality material such as Blu-ray movies and other HQ programming such as some of the "Nature" channels.

As we watch a lot of abusive material such as many hours of the Golf channel and news feeds with nasty opaque logos, crawl bars and such my answer is I'm shopping for a relatively inexpensive (around 1K here in Canada) LCD tv in our sitting/bedroom for watching this material.

I'd rather take my chances on screwing up a 1K LCD than my irreplaceable Pioneer.

With the LCD won't worry about permanent image retention 'cause if it should happen I can chuck the thing without too great a loss.

Khorn -- Sat, 03/13/2010 - 11:03

I keep my plasma on the power save settings which includes the lower color space setting that produces a more accurate or "natural" subdued picture.
 I   totally avoid opaque logos and I balance the viewing by watching an equal amount of full screen material after watching wide AR material. Best way to avoid burn in is by not   displaying material that can cause problems.

Michael Mortensen (not verified) -- Tue, 03/30/2010 - 18:57

I have a Pioneer LX 5090H, and I feel I must warn people NOT TO WATCH 4:3 television, as this will surely trigger an Image Retention. Like other users, I feel i needed a warning for this. I mean; one should be able to watch 4:3 television without thinking about the screen going dead.
A colleague of mine does not have this issue, as he is always running FULL mode .. but that distorts the people in 4:3 view :-(

john195 -- Tue, 06/29/2010 - 09:30

No but LCDs do, if you dont use a screen saver on a LCD you will burn-in.

prepress -- Tue, 06/29/2010 - 15:53

As was stated earlier, image retention and burn in are different, with IR being temporary, burn-in permanent. With the LCD computer displays at work I see image retention on my co-worker's screen as well as other screens. Usually, simply turning the display off for a bit gets rid of it. So the technology is vulnerable. Burn-in is a different issue, and I don't know how vulnerable LCD is to that. But the best plasmas are quite resistant to these problems, as compared to a few years ago. I have a Kuro 111FD, and can offer that I've yet to see any retained images in over a year ad a half or viewing. i also saw none during my trips to various stores to look at them.
 
At home, I use gray sidebars, Orbiter 1, and watch everything in OAR. No games or computer-display use.
 

TabuTroll -- Tue, 03/06/2012 - 22:10

 
Around 5,724.39 euros I paid for my LX-6090H 2009

Now I seem to got "permanent burn in" from the Mortal kombat 9´s Super bars!
I can see 1 big X on each lower corner inc the rest of the MK9 superbar on my 5000+ euros TV permanently.
It was over 1 month since I stop play on the TV and its still easy to see especially in green or yellow. cause the bars had that color..
Thanx to the poor plasma technique..
I feel like ive lost 5000 euros and I thought it would not be so sensitive on the latest G9.
And all everyone can say here is: Oh, to bad.
I would pay to fix it but its probably impossible.
Help!

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