I am looking for a 5.1 system thinking of going with Paradigm Signature S8's wth C5 center plus a sub of course what about this any other sugestions.
Paradigms use metal dome tweeters. Every material type generates a sonic signature and interplay with harmonics. And metal domes have more significant break up modes vs. soft domes. I find metal domes harsh and unnatural sounding and even "dry" (my meaning of dry is lacking of harmonic detial). There are some really expensve metals domes and with expensive crossovers that help alivate the issues and in some case sound even better. But I have found planer and electrostatic speakers for far less money than the speakers with the expensve metals domes that sound even better. Also watch out for cabinet induces reasonances. Check out the Quads, Vienna Acoustics and Salk speakers with soft domes or perhaps the Motion 10 and 12s from Martin Logan. If using good electronics, source music and one of th speakers mentioned you most likely will hear the metal dome harshness and listenng fatique effect. Do not be fooled by initial brighness. Instead listen for natural souding music. Try a good test disc with cymbals, bells, stringed instruments, sopranos...
I own S8v2's, which use a Beryllium tweeter, and with this tweeter I disagree with paulwelch250. I have listened for hours on end at times with no fatigue. I am using a Luxman Pure Class A amp which perhaps adds some smoothness, but I would not make a blanket statement about harshness due to the fact the tweeter is metal.
There is no doubt that the Paradigm line is heavily slanted to theatre, but that does not mean music is not important either. I sometimes think of "what if" with the choices I did not make, but overall I am happy. I would point out that when biamping the S8's note that the highs are separated at the tweeter, with the mids and bass together. I find this inexcusable. The mids are much more tied to the highs than the bass, and I wish they would change this. To be honest, at the time, I did not look into this but had I known this I would of thought about it more. This is especially true if you want to vertically biamp.
Marc Mickelson in The Audio Beat and Jeff Fritz in Ultra Audio have both opined that the Paradigm Signature v3 speakers are competitive with those from esteemed companies such as Wilson Audio and YG Acoustics. I own the S2v3 and find its performance several notches above my previous Dynaudio Confidence C1s.
Being Canadian it might be biased to be obvious about liking Paradigm. However. They do make their own drivers to their own specs. Not many can say this. Moreover, they have used extensive R+D and testing at the NRC anechoic chamber that would cost other makers thousands in recovery costs. But in regards to Wilson and YG: there is not disputing the aforementioned companies make a PHYSICALLY superior product. Whether that translates to sound is another matter entirely. Not even considering the price either.
I use the S8v2's with a pair of JL Audio F113's for the bottom end and could not be happier. I do get the odd "what if " regarding the mains but the subs are something NO manufacturer of ANY speaker could match. So if you get mains that are excellent in the highs and mids, with at least some bottom end and blend with subs, you are laughing. Whether sub matching is you game is your opinion; I tried the straight wire with gain route on the S8's and found the bass lacking; perhaps the need of EQ was missing, but adding the subs changed that.
Sad that running a system according to purist rules with mains that are "supposed to be capable" leads to results that are not. Not sure if it is the speaker but certainly the standards they are subjected to. I found with a bit of EQ tweaking the S8's are VERY capable in the bottom end. NOT sub-like, but certainly enough for most music.
I have only auditioned the S8 v1, would love to spend some time w/ the S8 v2.
Would buy except distribution is you-come-to-us archaic limited, have to go physically into dealerships, of which there are few. And the only one anywhere near to me is psychotic.
crsecon: This thinking is exactly why I would not ever buy Legacy speakers. Although highly rated, if I cannot at least see them before purchase, what is the point of mail order speakers, which is the ONE product you simply CANNOT buy without an audition.
Like many products, if you want it you have to find a distributor. Hell, I had to go across the Canada/USA border to pickup my JL Audio subs simply because there was no dealer local to me. If you really want it and think it worth it, you will make the effort. The Paradigms are worth it, in my opinion, and if I had to go further to get my JL subs knowing what I know now, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Don't think the low end in the S8 is in the JL category, however. I can attest to the fact the bottom end in S8 is refined and deep, but NOT subwoofer deep.
I have an S8 5.1 or 7.1 system for sale. I an in Ontario. All Signature series in Cherry.
I have 2 x S8 , 4 x ADP3, 1 C5 Centerw w stand , 1 x Sig Sub 25
$15 K takes it. (no tax)
This system new would be well over 25K + $3250 in taxes
That is a great deal! If only I could get that type of system for that coin in Australia. It is exactly what I am looking for @ the right price too!
I'm mainly a 2 Ch. listener, and I believe I could probably get similar results using two pair of S2 v3s and a pair of VMPS Larger Subs at a sizable fraction of the afformentioned listing. the diminishing returns of the high-end being what they are these days. Tremendous as this system is, it always pays to search extensively and with care.
music is the answer.