Having always been a fan of Harry Pearson’s reviews, I was pleasantly surprised to see a review by Mr. Pearson regarding a pair of speakers and amps that I purchased several months ago.
In November I purchased the Nola Micro Grands, McIntosh MC2301 monoblocks fed by PS Audio’s PerfectWave/Bridge DAC with my music server being a MacMini and Twonky. Wires, cables and power treatment are MIT’s Shotgun MA Speaker Cables, Magnum MA Proline Balanced Interconnects, MIT Z Powerbar and Oracle ZIII plugs.
While the “out of the box experience” was very good indeed, I knew the system was missing what I believed the system was in need of. In came Audio Research’s Reference 5 Preamp.
I have always had an affinity for smallish speakers and one of my favorite previous systems was Watt/Puppies with Spectral gear. I found bigger wasn’t always better and “upgraded” to Wilson X1s with great disappointment; a story for another time.
Having heard Nola’s fantastic Baby Grand’s at my local dealer, I was immediately taken aback by the sense of openness such a large speaker could obtain. What the X1’s provided in macrodynamics, I felt they sacrificed on mircodynamics (that I felt the Watt/Puppies were vastly superior), the latter ALWAYS, my first concern regarding choosing a speaker and system. This is of course listener dependent, but I was, to say the least incredibly impressed at how seamless the Baby Grands handled all aspects of what it was fed and given my new home and room, was very taken aback by the relative insensitivity of a required “sweet spot” necessary to enjoy the music. HOWEVER, I was not willing to spend the absurd sums of money “good speakers” are going for these days (we are in an economic crisis no matter what the readers of TAS believe) and having an affinity for smaller speakers, I said, “WTF” and went for the Micro Grands, with some trepidation. I understand I violated EVERY rule of an audiophile and purchased these things without a listen. I also had some misgivings on initial setup as my room is LARGE. In order to save some $ I initially was using the PerfectWave/Bridge as my premp, knowing after a few weeks of listening/burning in that I was missing what I experienced at my dealer. I tried and then purchased the ARC Ref 5, left the system on for hours, “burning in” and then went to work.
First, these “small” speakers produce an amazing sound stage, regardless of setup. These may be the easiest speakers I have had to setup. Sit just about anywhere in the room and the speakers produce their rich, realistic and precise soundstage. The magic of the Baby Grand’s are now in my listening room, without the outrageous cost and in some ways, I enjoy more what the Micros do than their larger more expensive brethren. They are not the easiest to drive, but produce such rich, clear sound, that it is easy to reach the limits of the MC2301s, which I have done on a few pieces of electronic and orchestral music. The image produced by these speakers is not bloated or distorted (something that I have witnessed in so many systems in an effort to produce good music) but real. While my former favorite gear, including Avalons and Watt/Puppies also produced a very realistic and enjoyable sound stage, I felt that the Watt/Puppy were just a tad edgy but still very listenable.
Can the Micros produce good bass? My room is large, where a speaker like the Baby Grand would probably shine and would be recommended over the Micros. I have constructed my listening environment into a near field one, trying to overcome the limitations and interactions a large room is sure to cause. The results have been spectacular. While the lower octaves may be just a little short of what I witnessed with the Baby Grands, I believe that is more a function of my listening environment than the speaker itself and I am soon going to attack the issue in force.
Are these speakers GIANT killers? My recommendation is DON’T do what I did, but take a listen for yourself. I think you will experience the same magic that Pearson writes about in the latest issue of TAS. My answer is a resounding yes.
Just my opinion.
We met at Elliot's open house. I'd sure like to hear them.
Mark
Hi,
I have the Micro Grand Ref's and they are wonderful. Your description is accurate. They are not fussy to setup. That is very important to me. Pairing them with the MC2301's must be awesome. The AR Ref 5 preamp is getting great reviews and must be a nice match. Congratulations and thank you!
Joe
Joe,
I had taken a hiatus from audiophilia for multiple years. I got tired of the endless care for vinyl, the finicky setups of turntables and of the speakers I mentioned, the constant tweaking, etc.
The PS Audio PerfectWave, got my interest going once again. Sitting on my rear end, having all my music on a server became very enticing. Of course my new interest quickly rekindled my interest in high end gear once again and I did spend more than I initially intended, knowing I of course would.
The speakers really are easy to setup which to me, at this point in my desire of "high end" audio is crucial. They are remarkable at what they can do. The ARC REF 5 was a game changer for me.
It is a pleasure to JUST LISTEN to the music than worry about tweaking
"It is a pleasure to JUST LISTEN to the music than worry about tweaking"
Amen! I am using 2 different amps. A McIntosh MC402 and Spectron mono blocks with all the updates. I'm currently using an Ayre KX-R preamp and am considering a tube preamp to go with my Spectrons. I'll have to give the Ref 5 a listen. Enjoy!!!
Joe
I had the good fortune to be in New York on business when I heard the as-yet unnamed Micro Reference in a dealer's listening room, surrounded by an array of $20K+ speakers. The folks at Nola had dropped off the prototype a few weeks before. I did a comparison with one of my favorites, the Sonus Faber Amati Homage, and was promptly stunned by the musicality and depth of the tiny Nolas. They blew everything else away, other than their own line upstream.
I heard their Metro at CES last year, which sounded a bit better, but it was quite close. I did feel the Baby Grand took it up a level (I listened to the Micro and Baby Grand the same day, with identical ARC gear), but only in the bass, and not by much. There is a signature sound across the line, as if the Nolas capture the essence of music - a well-worn cliche, but an accurate description of the house sound.
Truly impressive. Marten, TAD and a few others come close, but only with the right electronics - I suspect the Nolas could make anything sound good. And I concur as well on the Wilson line - Harry said it best himself at T.H.E. 2010, when he stated his cardinal rule: "Believe your ears."
I actually never heard the Metro, but my dealer has the Baby Grands and you are right, there is a signature to these speakers that you get regardless of your budget. In my last home I had a "small room" and where I am now or should I say, where my wife will tolerate me now, is in this large room, where the Micros are performing better than I could have imagined. These speakers continue to grow on me and are so different than what I previously listened to. These image so accurately and without distortion or bloating that I am continually amazed with every listen.
Pri, maybe your calling is not saving human lives but rather as an audio reviewer :)
Nicely stated and I too was amazed by the results we had got in your room. The Micro's are only small in name and stature but not in the major catagory that of sound. I love the Baby Grands however the Micros capture their essense and sound and may be the most impressive speakers that I have ever encountered.
They just dont sound like they look!!!!!
Enjoy and we can continue fine tuning the environment I am really curious to see how far we can push the envelope!
All, I find this thread very entertaining as today I did something that i would normally never even think about doing. I was listening to the Baby Grands and was awestruck by the magic. Almost as if the music was live. I listened over a period of 2 hours to a variety of music and it was all spectacular. Alas, $55,000 is a little rich for my blood and the speakers too much for my smaller room. Like Pri I ordered the Micros, sight and sound unseen or heard. A little scary at the moment but your comments and the Baby's have solidified my decision. The Baby Grands may have been the finest speaker I have ever listened to and if the Micro's are one fourth of the speaker i will a very happy camper.
I am glad to be back to the "music" and listening.
You will be very happy with these speakers. What are the electronics you will be using?
Currently I am using Spectron mono blocks, Modwright tubed preamp, Sony 9000SE SACD, and a Clearaudio Emotion TT. I am really excited about these speakers. Seems like I may may be a little heavy on the power but we shall see.
I think you will be very pleased at how well these "Micros" handle power. The thrive on power.
I am using them in a very large room which I have converted into a smaller room using a nearfield set up. I think you will really enjoy these speakers. I love them.
I think you will be very pleased at how well these "Micros" handle power. The thrive on power.
I am using them in a very large room which I have converted into a smaller room using a nearfield set up. I think you will really enjoy these speakers. I love them.
That is good to hear as I do prefer a near field set up which I had with my B&W's. Also good to hear about the power handling. This is what I was told where I listened to the Baby's but you know how that goes. Its good to hear from someone who is not taking the check. Unfortunately, it will be a number of weeks before I can get them.
I know you just shelled a ton of cash, but I will tell you, that before the HP mini-review came out about these speakers I was also noticing lower octave garbage (as HP stated, around 60Hz). I am not saying you will get it as I did, as HP was using the same amps I was, but I did make mention of this to my dealer who was going to come back to my home and help me with my room. After reading HP's review, where he experienced the same exact phenomena as I was, his cure was the Silver Circle 5.0 power conditioner. He was right and I followed up on his review and purchased this amazing product, which not only fixed the issue of the grunge at 60Hz, but cleaned up all octaves and opened up the speakers like I have never heard. Having said that, since you have much different equipment, listen and listen before doing anything.
Lastly, I will tell you that I found the speakers, like most, to have a fairly significant burn in time. Don't bother with driving yourself crazy micro adjusting location, until the speakers are burned in. Save yourself the time and aggravation. Trust me, you WILL know, when they turn into that magical experience you heard on the Babys.
I will tell you that the Baby's do have more depth in the lower octaves but you will be incredibly surprise how well these things work with organs, bass drums, cellos and bass guitars. While the depth may slightly lacking, I believe there is more detail in the information at these lower ranges than the Baby's. Additionally, the transparency and openness, IMHO, is better with the Micros than the Baby's, which is the real plus for me.
As you can tell, I like the intimacy of a smaller speaker more than a large "full range" speaker. You will not be disappointed.
Thanks and I truly appreciate all of your comments and observations. It is very helpful and encouraging. As i said I was quite anxious about buying something so expensive unseen or heard. This helps a great deal. I was wondering about the HP observation regarding grunge but a little cautious about spending $5,000 for a power conditioner so I will take you advice and listen for a while.
Also wondering if you could give me an estimate of the burn in time and if you might share the measurements you are currently using i.e., distance from walls, sidewalls, between speakers, and from the listening position. Just curious what near field means to you in terms of size of space. Thanks again.
Jack
I will get all of that to you in more detail.
Just leave the speakers on for hours and hours and listen intermittently and you will KNOW when it has burned in. I noticed around 250-300 hours that the speakers underwent their metamorphosis, the difference, amazing. Since I was am using tubes, I didn't want to leave them on continuously, lest a power outage, etc. so your break in time may indeed be shorter.
I have them about 6.5 feet from the side walls and 5 feet from the rear walls. I have them set so that the distance is approximately X between the speakers and 1.2X to my ears.
Having said the above these are very easy speakers to set up as the sweet spot is huge and very forgiving. Yes you will hear differences depending upon your room, but one of things I absolutely love about these things are there is no toeing in, no quarter inch here or there and the dispersion so huge that you are literally surrounded by a sound stage so accurate and clean with tremendous forgiveness, something like an MBL, but with much greater latitude. You will not regret this purchase.
I believe the Silver Circle 5 is now a list of 4K and it includes one their high end Vesuvius plugs and you can probably get a discount on it. While expensive it will be the ONLY conditioner you will ever need.
But just listen for the time being and tweak later.
The biggest challenge I have will be my room. It is nearly square which is a problem I am not sure I know how to solve. It is a dedicated room and I'll have to figure something out eventually. We are building a house and the best room I could scrounge was a spare bedroom. Lucky to get that...
I see you have Macs. Recently a friend auditioned the MC275 and must say we were both a bit disappointed. Perhaps a set up problem but we just could not get it right. I would eventually like to end up with tubes but somewhere down the road.
The MC2301s are a totally different and amazing beast.
I certainly assumed they were and everything I read indicated that to be the case but for $5000 we were expecting more from the MC275. I would like nothing better than to slide into a pair of 2301s but it will not happen soon.
If you are going to get some less expensive tube amps, integrated or otherwise, there are some phenomenal ones. You have a great system, enjoy what you have.
Thank you and i fully intend to. But like many I have been doing this for many years and in my case anyway I am always looking........
Well if and when the time comes, my recommendation, is call Carl and ask him for his advice as per your budget and the tubes he recommends. He likes ARC and we did an A-B between 2301s with the ARC Ref 210. I happened to like the 2301s but the ARC stuff is real good and Carl's favorite. I know ARC makes less expensive superb amps that you may want to ask Carl about.
Right now I am tapped out, got what I want and just a few more tweaks regarding plugs and I am DONE!
Me too, recently retired, building new home and the Micros!!!! Maybe next year.
The worst part of the speakers are waiting for them
Don't let the '275 fool you. It is not like the '2301 AT ALL.
Guys, is this for real? The Nola Micro Grands would slay speakers costing $18 to 25K. I am in search for my ultimate speaker but my budget would only be up to $15k. My shortlist speakers are the vivid B1, PMC pb1i, and the ref 3a grand veena. So I guess, I need to include this on my list to audition.
I have owned many different speakers over the years, including the big Wilson X1 and think these are the best speakers I have ever owned. While every reviewer has their issues, HP is one of those you can in most cases relate to and trust. Now he reviewed these things after I bought them but they amazing character is what he states.
If you want a speaker that images in real 3-dimensions, does not bloat the image, disappears, layers the image front to back better than any speaker on the market, this is it. The speaker sounds real. One of the best parts of the speaker is that you never tire listening to them, something that I can't say about most speakers. THE best part of the speakers are they are so easy to set up. No inch here and there or toeing in, etc. In fact, you can actually stand between the plane of these speakers and get better sound and maintain the image of the soundstage better than most speakers on the market. This does not mean there is not a sweetspot, but the sweetspot is not "critical".
While the produce amazing bass for their size, they are not going to reproduce the lowest octaves as easily as their next to biggest brother, the Baby Grands, a 57K speakers. However, IMHO, they are a more intimate speaker than their bigger brother, and do many things equal to or better, particularly the resolution of vocals and strings.
My dealer also sells the Grand Veena which are excellent but this is a different beast on a whole different level. You would do yourself a big big favor to listen to them.
Hi catmonv,
I've had mine for almost one year and they are spectular. Easy to place, very musical and a pleasure to listen to all day and all night. NO fatigue. I sold my Spectrons, did some things I liked and some things I did not like. I have a Manley Stingray II coming and am working on a more powerful tube amp (read McIntosh, ARC, CJ). They really are great speakers, you will not be disappointed.
Joe
Thanks guys for the feedback. I have space constraints as I can only allow probably just allow a foot on the back wall. I know that the Grand Veena is meticulous with the positioning. I will surely listen to the micro's. The limited bass response of the Nola is no problem with me since I use a JL sub to get the last octave. Whoa, the stands cost $1,200! Probably the stands sing without the speakers on top. LOL.
Seems like an interesting speaker. Will have to audition it sometime. My only concern is that does it get fasten to the stand, i.e. Does it sort of become one piece or can it fall off easyly from just being placed on the stand. Second question is that why no one offers a safety cover or cage any more for the new speakers coming out? How can one protect their investment from little kids/grandkids prying hands? I guess what we used to do in the old days i.e. Lock things up is still the way. Although id prefer not to lock my system.
You aren't going to buy them anyhow!
They are still heavy and will not fall off their stands. Their stands have ballbearings between the stands and the speakers. The ball bearings to speaker have a unique arrangement allowing you to move the speaker properly to its effective location on the stand. When I first got the speaker, my first thought this makes no sense and I too was going to use Blu Tac, but gave it a shot and am not happen.
If you have kids that are going to stick things into the drivers, you are out of luck. While the "grills" cover the open top portion there is no cover for the two front "bass units". I never use the grills, don't know where they are as they are not meant to be used with them and are for shipping purposes. If you do buy them, my recommendation, is to put a sheet over them when kids are around.
Priaptor, thanks for this and all the useful information you have provided on the Micros.
Hi Sam,
The speaker rides on 4 ball bearings on the stand. In my situation, I don't/can't use the ball bearings, so I use some blu-tak between the speaker bottom and the stand. Seems fine to me and makes a more monolithic package. The speakers sound better with the side and back covers off, but because of dust in my room, I keep them on and only take them off for critical listening. Speakers always sound better without covers, so I guess that's why they are made like that.
Joeinid, what associate equipment do u use with these speakers? Can u list the rest of ur system? Thanks.
Hi Sam,
I'm still deciding on new amp(s). I have a Manley Stingray II coming (40 watts ultralinear and 20 watts triode). I don't crank my music but plan on getting something a little more substantial. My list is as follows:
Speakers: Nola Micro Grand Reference. Amps: Manley Stingray II (en route), Myryad MA-240 (very temporary). Preamp: McIntosh C2300 Electronics: McIntosh MEN220, Metric Halo LIO-8, SCD-XA5400ES, Aqvox USB2 D/A MKII Dac, Sony SCD-333ES, Audio Logic 24mxl DAC, Apple Mac Pro w/ Lynx Studio AES16e, and new Mac Mini, Amarra and Pure Vinyl. PurePower 2000AC regenerator. JL Audio F113x2
I sold a pair of Spectrons (did not satisfy me), a McIntosh MC402, which I liked very much and why I'm considering going up the McIntosh line. I really like my Nola Micros. Thinking about either McIntosh MC2301's, MC452 or MC601's or ARC VS115, REF110 or REF150 or ?
Well, you cannot go wrong with the MC2301s. We listened to the Ref210s and the MC2301s at my dealers location and they were both great. I know Carl is partial to the ARC but the Macs are really good and why I bought them.
Hi Priaptor,
Do you think the new MC601 solid state mono blocks would be a nice match? I had a MC402 stereo McIntosh amp that I thought was nice and it got me thinking about the new ones coming out. I heard the 2301's on a different speaker and I was blown away, but I run my stereo a lot and would go through tubes once or twice a year at least. I guess a small price to pay for greatness.
Joe
Joe,
My favorite solid state amp of all time was the Spectral. Another mistake I made earlier in life was selling my Spectral stuff for Levinson.
I first got their stereo DMA-260 and then "upgraded" to their mono-blocks. I liked their stereo amp better than their monoblocks. I haven't heard the new Mac Solid state amp you are referring to, but I lived with Spectral gear for years and IF I were to buy a "hot weather" amp, as I live in FL, I would still buy a Spectral. I think it would be an very good amp with the Nolas.
Hi Priaptor,
Thanks! I should have my Manley Stingray II by Friday or Saturday so that should give me a good idea on how a lower power amp (40 watts EL84) will work. I'm still working on MC2301's so if that falls through, I have a few more ideas. It's funny, gear comes and goes, but my Nola's are here to stay!!!
Joe
Go with tubes!
Seems like tubes are the overwhelming choice for these speakers. I wonder how a great solid state like the Spectral DMA 360 MKII will sound with these?
I prefer the 2301's on the Baby Grands and I am a 20 plus year ARC fan!
Mark
I bought the Metro Grands after hearing them at Lyric last April. I'd say the comments that have been written about the Micros can also accurately apply to the Metros. I do not, however, think they give up much at all to their larger bretheren in the bass department. I'm driving them with an ARC Ref 110, a Ref 3 and a Ref 2 phono. The phono stage took a huge amount of time to break in. The speakers also do not really start to sing until maybe 200 hours. But after the proper time elapses, the magic really begins. For anyone contemplating the purchase of a pair of Metros, I cannot recommend them more highly. They are, by far, the finest speakers I've had in my house. (And that would be quite a few!)
Aliveatfive, what other systems and speakers have you had?
I go back a long way. I began the quest by subscribing to TAS with issue 5 (and subsequently purchasing the first 4 issues.) I was an original fan of double Advents driven by a kit-built Ampzilla. (Remember those?) I then moved on to DQ 10as. After those began my "electrostatic period." I had three different incarnations of MartinLogans ending up with a pair of Summits. I eventually began to believe that these really could not be driven with tubed stuff due to the electrostatic's falling impedance curve at higher frequencies. The Metros excel at transparency and the reproduction of the frequency extremes in a manner that I have never heard in my system.
Sam,
Nola's are wonderful speakers and work well will solid state amps as well. I have tried the big Bryston's and the ARC DS450 on my Baby Grands and they sound and work great. I am sure the Spectral will work also. I think that what many hewre have expressed is they prefer the sound of tube amps and these speakers are easy to drive and so there are no issues with using a tube amp. Many speakers do not repsond well to tube amps these do not have thaose issues
Thanks Elliot that makes a lot of sense. I was under the impression that speakers must MATCH very well with specific amplifiers. Ex. Quads with tubes or Martin Logans with solid states and maggies with ultra powerful solid states. I was also under the impression that in this critical speaker-amp combination relationship only a few choices really work best. Hense so much debate over amp matching. Although I doubt that ARC210, MC2301 or the DMA 360 would sound bad with any speaker. I don't know...and obviously it's not possible for me to test all these in a controlled settings like a reviewer or some dealers who may carry the brand. I can only make educated guesses.
Sam,
I am not expressing an opinion on the sound of the Spectral on the speakers since I have not heard it but due to how the Nola's work I do not think there would be any issue in driving them. They are not difficult to drive and therefore I dont see any issue. Many speakers especially electrostats are very finicky and Maggies need a lot of power however they do work well with tube amps in my experience. I prefer the tubes as well but there are people that don't want to deal with Tube amps.
Does anyone know what make/model of internal wiring is used with the Micros? Is It the same as the larger models? Also what speaker cables r people using most with these? There must be more options other than the ultra expensive Nordost Odin seen at most showes with these.