Comparing Avalon Indra with Magico V3

dunstansim -- Mon, 08/03/2009 - 08:06

Has anyone compared the Avalon Indra with the Magico V3  ? Would be interested in your views.  

Fred N (not verified) -- Mon, 08/03/2009 - 11:00

I have been an Avalon fan for 20 years. Last Jan I heard the V3  while I was thinking of upgrading to the Indra from my Eidolon. It was the first speakers I have heard in 20 years that sent shivers down my spine. I have not had that feeling ever since I heard the Avalon Ascent, some 20 years ago for the first time. By now,  after 2 month of living with the V3, I can only say that if you are considering  speakers in this price range you must hear the V3 properly set up. It is truly a remarkable loudspeaker. I am sure you will find pleasure in the Indra as well. A fine speaker and perhaps better then the Eidolon.
 

Marcel (not verified) -- Mon, 08/03/2009 - 17:37

Fred, your situation last Jan is similar to mine right now. I have been impressed by the V3 during several store demos, but still feel it's a mixed blessing compared to my Eidolon. Could you indicate what good qualities of you Eidolon's performance you feel are missing in the V3's? Coherence? Richness of tone of midrange? Bass depth or warmth? Detail, transparancy?

ddetaey -- Mon, 08/03/2009 - 11:34

I own the Magico V3, as this speaker for me was love at first hearing.  In the past I have been able a couple of times to listen to Avalon Indra's at hifi shows, I must say that the Indra's are the first Avalon's that I really liked.  To be more specific, the Avalon family of speakers for me are very good for playing classical music, nothing else.  The Indra has changed that perception, it is for me the first allround speaker of Avalon, and a very good one indeed.
Still for me the Magico V3 is the one to beat.  Since I own them I really prefer listening to live music, being it blues, pop, rock, classical and jazz (just starting) as well.  As I have played (mainly acoustic) guitar myself, the V3 brings back that same life experience and excitement as no other speaker has done before.
Maybe the following info can also give you further information.  The German hifi-magazine has reviewed both the Magico V3 and the Avalon Indra.  They come very close in number of earned points, but you see in what area's the speakers scored differently from each other.
Assuming German is not your first language, I have added the links of the site via Google Translate :
Magico V3 :
< http://www.translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stereoplay.de%2FTestbericht%2FMagico-V3_3085676.html&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0= >
Avalon Indra
< http://www.translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=nl&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stereoplay.de%2FTestbericht%2FAvalon-Indra_451482.html&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0= >
Regards
Dirk
 
 
 
 

toology86@yahoo.com (not verified) -- Mon, 08/03/2009 - 13:50

To add to Dirks comment , its also stereoplays ( german magazine ) new reference loudspeaker out of all of the speakers they have reviewed. I own V3's and i have had many speakers in my listening " vault " and they stand out by far the best ( many of those speakers costing double or triple the V3's ). They do require alot of power to sound there best so i use MBL 9008 monoblocks and it sounds perfect.
 
 
Chris

Fred N (not verified) -- Mon, 08/03/2009 - 20:45

Marcel,
I find all Avalon, and for that matter other ceramic drivers based loudspeakers to be a bit “overly” transparent or “glitzy”. That sound has its merits, no doubt, but overall a bit less neutral and somewhat “whitish”. It is almost as if the speaker balance is tilted up and some areas  illuminant more than others. That is what got me drawn in to the Eidolon in the first but I got tired of it eventually.  That is why I was looking to upgrade to the Indra, which I feel has less of these qualities although, still exhibit some of them. After living with the V3 for some time, I must say, I do not feel that I have lost anything. The transparency is all there but this time it moves with the source. Not everything is wide glitzy and clear.  The V3 have much more substance to them then I originally thought. They actually have “sound colors”. I only now realize that I gave up on powerful  and extended bass music altogether with the Avalon. You tend to alter your musical taste based on the strengths and weakness of your system.  The V3 bass is so much more extended and develop. It also “feel” like it is part of the speakers not lagging behind the fastt and airy mids and highs. Last, but not least, the V3 will play a lot louder without hardening up.  Not just on big powerful passages but also on soprano and violin. I find myself listening to types of music I thought I did not like much, like Operas and big orchestral music. But again,  that is me.  You may miss the “illumination” the Eidolon has, but I truly doubt it.
 

Marcel (not verified) -- Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:00

Fred,
Thanks for your insightfull comments on the Eidolon and the V3.
I can relate to many of your characterisations of both the Magico and the Eidolon, and suppose I'll have another serious listen to the V3 some time soon.

Ray (not verified) -- Tue, 08/04/2009 - 06:51

Here so many people have own Magico V3, so many fans of Magico here. Avalon not bad, I link ceramic mid, but I have never heard of Magico so far.

dunstansim -- Wed, 08/05/2009 - 08:37

Thanks for all your feedback. Unfortunately I cannot really afford these speakers- at least not brand new anyway. But there is a chance I might be able to get hold of  a pair of used Avalon Indra. Given that these 2 speakers seem very highly rated by TAS (V3) and HiFi +(Indra), (the Indra was HiFi + product for the year in 2007), I was curious about the sonic qualities and differences between these speakers. Fred/Dirk, can you elaborate on why after comparing the Indra and V3, you opted for the V3 ? Was it mainly  the difference in bass extension or was it more ? In what areas did you think the V3 outperformed the Indras ? And what about the overall value of these two speakers ? [I think the Indra is a few grand less than the V3 ] Thanks

dunstansim -- Wed, 08/05/2009 - 08:37

Thanks for all your feedback. Unfortunately I cannot really afford these speakers- at least not brand new anyway. But there is a chance I might be able to get hold of  a pair of used Avalon Indra. Given that these 2 speakers seem very highly rated by TAS (V3) and HiFi +(Indra), (the Indra was HiFi + product for the year in 2007), I was curious about the sonic qualities and differences between these speakers. Fred/Dirk, can you elaborate on why after comparing the Indra and V3, you opted for the V3 ? Was it mainly  the difference in bass extension or was it more ? In what areas did you think the V3 outperformed the Indras ? And what about the overall value of these two speakers ? [I think the Indra is a few grand less than the V3 ] Thanks

Janpe -- Wed, 08/05/2009 - 13:04

Dunstanism:
You will never read valuable and useful feedback on this topic because no one has compared these two speakers in a proper way. All you will get is some feedback from us users, but that isn`t very helpful for you. This is the reason for why I think that TAS should have made some kind of a group test of these speakers. Some kind of a shoot out between the Indra, The V3, maybe a Kharma, a Rockport etc. All at the similar price point +/- 3-5.000,- USD. This could have been interesting although I can see the challenges with finding electronics that fits them all. Well, maybe we could have learned something from this anyway, who knows.
I am a long term Indra user myself, I am very happy with them. But, from what I read in TAS and elsewhere the Magico`s must be (sorry) quite magical. I do not have a clue which one is better, but nobody else has it either. Go with your gut feeling, you can`t do a big mistake with either of these speakers imho. As long as you electronics are up to the task that is.
Good luck!
 

ddetaey -- Thu, 08/06/2009 - 01:17

Dunstanism
Janpe is indeed right, I have not been able to compare at home both the Magico V3 with the Avalon Indra.
But for me it was very simple.  In search for replacement for my Wilson Sophia's 1, I have been listening at hifi shows and my dealer to a lot of different speakers, such as Avalon, Verity Audio, Thiel, Wilson Audio, KEF, B&W, ....
All these brands have very good speakers, and every time again I was in fact listening to the differences with my Wilosn Sophia's.
Untill I had a listening session of the Magico Mino II and the V3. Both speakers immediatelly touched me emotionally, with the Mini II a (very) little bit more focusssed, and the V3 a far better bass extension than the Mini.
Since I showed real interest in buying a new set of speakers, the distributor has offered me the opportunity to have a pair of V3's for testing at home. So I have had the chance to test the V3's for about 1 month at my place. A positive buying decision from my part followed after that.
So what are for me (!!!) the most important characterics of the V3's :
- very coherent speaker, no holes, , not 3 drivers integrated in 1 box but just one speaker
- very linear , no bumps or holes in the complete audio spectrum
- very precise bass, easy to differentiate the different bass-lines of different instruments
- imaging and sounstage (if setup correctly)
- for me the most important difference with other speakers : midrange reproduction, so livelike and natural (not cool at all). This is where the V3 for me is better than any other dynamic loudspeaker I have listened to.
 
Weak sides:
- Sometimes I would like a little more (deeper ?) bass , but not really missing
- Difficult setup of the V3.  They really require some time, effort  and space to find the right position to deliver their 'magic'.
- Power hungry.
 
Again, I believe there is a not so sutlle difference in the midrange between the Magico and the Avalon. You do not need to compare the speakers side-by-side to to hear the difference and to find out your preference. Again, try and have a listening session of each speaker, before taking any decision.
 
Regards
Dirk
 
 
 

dunstansim -- Thu, 08/06/2009 - 05:18

I agree with Janpe. Someone in TAS  should do a comparison review between some of these top notch speakers an dalso other components. In fact I would go so far as to say that such comparison reviews should be made a regular feature in TAS.  I hope someone from TAS reads this and takes up this suggestion. That would be great ! 
Janpe/Dirk, if you don't  mind, could you tell me what are the electronics you are using  with the Indra and V3 ? Thanks

Janpe -- Thu, 08/06/2009 - 05:26

I dont`t mind at all:
With my Indra`s I use the Lindemann Audio pre 832/power 855 combination with the latest model Muse Electronics Erato 2. AC filter/conditioner is the Richard Grey 1200.
 
Rgds
JP

ddetaey -- Thu, 08/06/2009 - 07:43

I am using the following gear :
source : Accuphase DP800-DC801
pre-amp : Ayre KX-R
poweramps : Ayre MX-R
cabling : MIT Magnum MA both IC's & speakers
 
Dirk

bherlihy -- Thu, 08/06/2009 - 11:43

dunstansim- there is a pair of Magico V3 on audiogon  - seem new but some discount (not mine, i am  just passing on what i saw).  Mini II's as well.
still expensive but thought i would alert you.

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