An Uncommonly Good In-Ceiling Speaker from Noble Fidelity

Posted by: Chris Martens at 12:12 am, March 28th, 2009

About a year and a half ago I reviewed a series of in-ceiling speakers for The Perfect Vision (forerunner to the modern day Playback), and one model I covered was the Noble Fidelity L-85, a 2-way in-ceiling speaker with an 8-inch Kevlar mid-bass driver and a coaxially mounted, pivoting 1-inch Teteron dome tweeter (Teteron is a fabric material that’s ideal for use in soft-dome tweeters). I thought the speaker was quite good at the time, and it went on to win a TPV award as “Best General Purpose In-Ceiling Speaker.”
 
But frankly, I didn’t know the half of it, in that I had not heard what the speaker could do when driven by a set of honest-to-gosh high-end power amps. But now, thanks to a special demo provided at CES 2009 by Noble Fidelity’s Greg Ford, I’ve heard the L-85 at their best, and I must say I’m impressed. The L-85’s sell for $649/pair and look deceptively modest at first glance, but—as always seems to be the case with such devices—the real genius is in the details.
 
The Test Rig
Basically, Greg Ford needed a way to tour the country and to demonstrate what his L-85’s can do, and so he built a demo platform that’s quite ingenious. He essentially took two halves of a flight case and built into each one a wooden mounting plate for an L-85 speaker, plus a shock-mounted rack for a NuForce Reference 9 SE v.2 monoblock power amplifier. When Greg visits dealer prospects, he flips open the case(s) with the drivers firing upward from the floor (a pretty good approximation of what you’d hear with the drivers firing downward from the ceiling). Audio is fed from a PC driving a USB DAC through a volume control, which in turn drives the NuForce amps. It’s a clever demo rig and one that proves the L-85’s can sound better than any set of affordable in-ceiling speakers has a right to.
 
The Noble Fidelity L-85 demo rig, complete with NuForce monoblock amps
 
How Does It Sound?
The simple answer is that a pair of ceiling-mounted (or, in this case floor-mounted) L-85’s sounds very much like a good pair of omni-directional floorstanding speakers. By this I mean that you’ll hear surprisingly deep, wide and spacious soundstages, and a good measure of clarity, but without the “hyper-focused” imaging that forward-firing speakers can sometimes produce. Given that the L-85 are apt to be used in open spaces with multiple seating arrangements (offices, dens, breakfast nooks, and the like), spaciousness may be the order of the day. But one further characters that really shocked me (and I think would shock most listeners) is the L-85’s remarkably smooth tonal balance, replete with voicing that offers rich tonal colors and—no, I am not making this up—REAL bass (the kind of bass that would turn most in-ceiling speakers and a fair number of bookshelf speakers green with envy).
 
If you’ve previous associated the term “in-ceiling speaker” with annoying compressed, tinny, and generally yucky sound, then let me predict that the L-85’s could potentially turn your head around.

What Makes ‘Em Tick?
I’m not the L-85’s designer, so I can’t say for sure. But, here are some of the finer points I observed during my past TPV review.

 

  • The L-85 mid-bass driver is position very far forward in its frame, rather than being recessed in a deep well (as is the case with many other in-ceiling speakers). As a result, the driver almost sits flush with the mounting surface, and has a smoother, more open sound than recessed drivers do.
  • The pivoting tweeter is positioned at the end of a metal stalk, and it’s pivoting mechanism is built like the proverbial “brick outhouse.” The goal was to make sure the tweeter mount never, ever develops rattles, which speakers that use cheap plastic pivoting mechanisms are apt to do.
  • High quality parts throughout: everything from capacitors and resistors to printed circuit board and run-out wires is better and beefier than the norm for this class.
  • The speaker measures well (38Hz – 21kHZ ± 3dB) but more importantly was subjected to real-world listening tests before its release. Not for nothing is Nobel Fidelity’s slogan “Live with music.”

 
The Noble Fidelity L-85 up close: note far-forward mid-bass driver placement
 
The bottom line, I think, is that this is an in-ceiling speaker designed by pragmatic engineers who also are blessed with audiophile sensibilities, which is good thing. For spaces where conventional high performance speaker just won’t do, the L-85’s could be a fine alternative that won’t break the bank (and they’ll sound especially if you power them with amps that can reveal their true performance capabilities).

Noble Fidelity’s Greg Ford  hopes dealers and customers enjoy his demos

Comments

Craig Kallenbach (not verified) -- Wed, 04/01/2009 - 10:57

The success of Noble Fidelity is no surprise to me. I have known Greg Ford since our early teenage years and he has always been a person of integrity and ingenuity. I bought my first great sound system from Greg back in the early 1970's and it was clear that accurate sound reproduction was his calling as he steered me toward the "good stuff" (the best quality for the money).
When Greg tells you that, "Ol' Smokey is covered with cheese", get ready for dinner--it's going to be a feast that you'll love. I'm going to get some L-85s to try in my own home.
 

Acoustic Penguin (not verified) -- Wed, 04/01/2009 - 12:24

 I've listened to those speakers installed in the very demo kit that is shown in the pictures here, and I couldn't believe my ears. These speakers sound incredibly great, not just for ceiling speakers but for any speakers, period.
 
If only the copy editor for this story were half as good as the speakers...

Maureen Jenson (not verified) -- Thu, 04/02/2009 - 10:20

 Hey Chris,
I too heard them at CES in Vegas...couldn't agree with you more. I thought they cost at minimum twice that amount and were comparable to very expensive in-ceiling speakers from famous manufacturers that shall remain nameless.  If any of the readers have an opportunity to demo the L-85s, I encourage you to do so. These are the kind of in-ceiling speakers that could be listened to for several hours with no sense of fatigue, just pleasure. Congrats Greg, you have a winner!
Maureen Jenson
CustomRetailer & E-Gear Magazines

Jeff Kussard (not verified) -- Thu, 04/02/2009 - 14:06

 I have not heard Mr. Ford's speakers.  Sounds like they are likely quite good.  I will note that any in wall or in ceiling speaker will sound NOTABLY better when mounted in a solid baffle (such as the plywood used in Mr Ford's demo kit) and solidly constructed back box (such as the road case in Mr Ford's demo kit).  The bane of all architectural speaker designers lives is the "hostile" enclosure consisting of sheetrock, dimensional lumber and varying enclosure size that their speakers are forced to perform in.

fbonzo (not verified) -- Thu, 04/02/2009 - 17:07

An excellent point, Mr. Kussard--regarding the need for appropriately volumetric, (preferably baffled & or stuffed) "stiff" enclosures. I've never lived w/ceiling speakers, but I've been considering designing them into a new house. I'm quite familiar w/wall mounts, though, and I guess I've always just supposed that the same issues would be applicable. I've just thought of ceiling systems as conveniences for high-grade Muzak. Perhaps systems like Mr. Ford's will put the lie to that view? BTW, at $650/pr, wouldn't these be worth a shot at a decent home-made floor standing system? Certainly, wall-mounting would seem an appropriate venue for them, too. Anyone tried these things?

6KAudio -- Fri, 04/03/2009 - 16:05

Hello fbonzo, I have installed 3 pair of L-85's in an inwall environment including a 5.1 inwall system made up of L-85's,L-82's and a velodyne DD18 Sub. The wall treatments differ between rough sawn 1"cedar with blown in cellulose insulation, standard 1/2" drywall with closed cell soy based insulation and 3/4" t&g pine with R19 fiberglass (the latter is actually in a recording studio for a famous comedian!!) the results so far have been very uniform (including the tests i performed in my own recording studio). The translation between different environments is great. Between the L-85's, L-65's and L-82's in a doubble blind shoot out (performed at  the Latter recording studio) it was hard choosing a clear standout among the various speakers in the Noble Fidelity line. i am getting ready to put 8 pair in my own home where i have 5/8' drywall with open cell soy based insulation. the speakes i wil use are L85's, L-65's L-55's and L-85 SPS's. These will be in a combination of ceiling and wall mounted locations. i will keep you abreast of how they work out (i have a feeling they will sound just as good as the others i have installled).

Audio without Video = Radio
Video without Audio = Surveillance  ;-)

fbonzo (not verified) -- Thu, 06/11/2009 - 13:02

Very interesting, 6k, I would like to hear any and all further details about your installations and the subsequent sound. A few questions: 1. Are your studio installations 2-point source near field or more classically (mid-field) binaural? 2. Any baffling in the walls or extra "stiffness" reinforcement or are you just relying on the insulation? 3. What kind of volume is available inside each wall mounting (like 6" depth by 4' by 4' or something) 4. In your 5.1 system, how big's your room, how far away and widespread are your seating arrangements (looking for "sweet spot size"). Any and all answers are gratefully accepted. Thanks.

gt350 (not verified) -- Thu, 04/02/2009 - 23:26

Having seen and heard these speakers at CES, what amazed me is , as much work was put into the demo cabinets it still seemed they should be at a disadvantage. But the sound was a surprise and made me take notice.  The key I took home is these things sound GOOD.

Steve Raap (not verified) -- Fri, 04/03/2009 - 08:14

Hey Greg! Sounds like you've got a winner here. Are these for music only, video only, or both? Just curious.

Gregory Ford (not verified) -- Tue, 04/07/2009 - 23:48

Thanks Chris for your kind words, we are doing our best to provide HiFi to those who seek it here in our modest product corner.  As well I would like to thank those who have commented herein.  If anyone would like to communicate directly with Noble Fidelity, further, myself please do so via the email address: principal [at] noble-fidelity [dot] com.  Thanks again and Live with Music.
All the best,
Gregory Ford

Danny Richelieu (not verified) -- Wed, 04/08/2009 - 00:23

I visited the Noble Fidelity demo room at CES to hear the L-85's, and I'll admit that they were the best-sounding in-ceiling loudspeakers I've heard at that price, and perhaps at any price. I was blown away by the sound quality. And Chris is right, they produce actual bass. Pretty incredible. I've told friends that were looking into buying in-ceiling speakers to check Noble Fidelity out, and I'd like to tell the same to anyone reading this post.

Greg Robinson (not verified) -- Tue, 04/14/2009 - 12:44

I can't speak to the L-85, but I did review the L-55 LCRS in-walls for E-Gear Magazine. They were quite impressive, to say the least, and they firmly registered Noble Fidelity as a prominent blip on my loudspeaker radar.

Bill Gillis (not verified) -- Wed, 05/06/2009 - 16:00

 I have installed several of the Noble Fidelity products at this point - and I continue to be impressed by the well thought out packaging and design. Sound quality is exceptional and the performance is well beyond that of any in-wall or in-ceiling product I've experienced before. Job well done Mr. Ford.

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