The $2000 CD Made From Glass

Posted by: Robert Harley at 2:02 pm, April 6th, 2009

The $2000 CD Made from Glass
Robert Harley
 
Japanese CD manufacturer Memory-Tech is offering to replicate CDs made from glass rather than the conventional polycarbonate. The rationale? Glass CDs sound better.
 
Memory-Tech calls the discs “Crystal Disc” and so far, seven titles are available in Japan with more on the way. Deutsche Grammophon has released its 1963 recording of von Karajan conducting Beethoven’s Ninth symphony and has plans to release two other titles. EMI’s entry is a recording of the Japanese violinist Mariko Senjyu. JVC will soon offer three titles by Japanese classical artists. All the titles are mastered with JVC’s K2HD process.
 
Judging from the initial titles the discs seem intended primarily for the Japanese market. The pricing also seems aimed at the ultra-top-end Japanese consumer; as much as $2000 for a single disc. I suspect the reason that the discs are so expensive is that each one is individually cut on the laser mastering machine rather than being replicated from a stamper.
 
Memory-Tech sent me two discs containing identical data, one made traditionally from polycarbonate and the other from glass. The disc is a sampler of different musical selections, chosen to reveal sonic differences across a broad spectrum of music. The glass-substrate CD is heavier and stiffer than the plastic disc, but is otherwise similar.
 
But how can two discs containing the identical ones and zeros sound different?
 
I’ve long been fascinated by the idea that a CD’s optical properties can affect the sound in an analog-like manner even though the datastream remains unchanged. My interest in this subject began in the mid-to-late 1980s when I worked in a CD mastering lab. In addition to being part of a six-man team that designed and built CD (and Laserdisc) mastering machines, my job included correlating problems in replicated discs with anomalies on mastertapes and the mastering process. (I co-wrote, with Ray Keating, an Audio Engineering Society paper on this subject called “CD-V Signal Optimization.”) Incidentally, we had a process for making one-off CDs on a glass substrate, but it was used primarily to check the programming of a CD-ROM in the very early days of that format (1986).
 
            A CD-replication client claimed that the discs we made sounded inferior to his mastertape. I performed a bit-for-bit comparison between the mastertape (3/4" U-Matic tape in the PCM-1630 format) and the replicated disc using a CD-ROM pre-mastering computer. Not surprisingly, the data were bit-for-bit identical. I was unable to verify the client’s claim that the disc sounded different from the master because I couldn’t listen to both sources through the same D/A converter (the Sony PCM-1630’s digital interface is a format called SDIF-2, which uses three BNC-terminated lines—left channel, right channel, and word clock).
 
            My colleagues—all “bits is bits” engineers—dismissed the client’s claim as mere delusion in light of the bit-for-bit accuracy of the disc to the mastertape. In their view, we had done our job in delivering a CD with a bitstream that was identical to the master. What more could one ask for?
 
            Nonetheless, I wanted to pursue this question, and cut another master from the same tape, but on a different mastering machine. The client reported that the disc made from this second master sounded significantly better than the first disc. With two CDs, I could now listen to them for myself decoded through the same D/A converter. The client was correct; the second CD sounded smoother, more spacious, and less “digital.” He didn’t describe the differences in those terms; to him, the first disc was simply missing his musical expression.
 
            There were no manufacturing differences between the discs; neither had uncorrectable errors or other problems that are routinely checked during QC. My curiosity was piqued, so I had the jitter on both discs analyzed using a specialized piece of test equipment. To understand the concept of jitter in a CD, some background on how the CD works is necessary.
 
            Digital data are stored on the CD in “pits” (indentations in the disc) and “lands” (the flat disc surface). The transition from pit-to-land or land-to-pit represents binary “one.” All other surfaces (pit bottom or land) represent binary “zero.” The pit and land structures don’t represent the data directly. Rather, an encoding scheme called “eight-to-fourteen modulation” (EFM) creates patterns of data in which successive binary “ones” are separated from each other by a minimum of two “zeros” and a maximum of ten “zeros.” This produces nine discrete pit and land lengths on the disc.
 
            The playback laser beam is reflected from the disc to a photodetector that converts light to an electrical signal. The nine discrete pit and land lengths produce an amplitude-modulated signal at the photodetector composed of nine discrete sinewaves, which vary in frequency from 196kHz (corresponding to the longest pit or land length) to 720kHz (corresponding to the shortest pit and land lengths). The digital data are contained in the sinewaves’ zero-crossing transitions.
 
            The jitter analyzer counts the exact frequency of each of the nine sinewaves and then graphically plots their frequency distribution. The distribution is Gaussian, with most of the pit and land lengths falling very close to the ideal. On the disc that sounded inferior, the distribution was extremely wide, with large variations in the pit and land lengths. On the better-sounding disc, the distribution was sharply defined and the curve was very narrow. In other words, the first disc had a greater amount of jitter encoded in the physical structures that represent the digital data. You could see this by looking at the signal from the photodetector; the so-called “eye pattern” was a little ragged on the first disc compared to that of the second disc. (There’s a reason the second disc had lower jitter; the mastering machine on which it was cut featured a completely different turntable design and more sophisticated rotational-servo control than those of the first mastering machine.)
 
            Note that the pit- and land-length variations were not great enough to be interpreted incorrectly; a binary “one” was never mistaken for binary “zero.” The datastreams were identical after decoding.
 
            I once pressed a CD optical engineer at Philips on this question and came away with the distinct impression that he understood the mechanism by which discs with identical datastreams sounded different, but wouldn’t publicly admit the phenomenon (for obvious reasons). The engineer gave me knowing smile and a wink, repeating the party line that CDs were incapable of analog-like variability in sound quality. If anyone knew the answer to this mystery it would be Philips; it contributed the optical aspects to the CD format (Sony developed the error correction, integrated circuit design, and hardware manufacturing processes, broadly speaking).
 
            Getting back to glass-versus-polycarbonate CDs, it’s worth noting that polycarbonate can introduce optical distortions that affect the playback laser beam. Specifically, polycarbonate can cause a phenomenon called “birefringence”—a double refraction of the playback beam introduced by variations in the refractive index of the material through which the beam is passing. These variations in the refractive index are caused by localized stress on the polycarbonate introduced during injection-molding of the disc. That is, the liquid polycarbonate didn’t flow properly into the mold, creating areas that introduce birefringence. Obviously, a glass-substrate CD doesn’t suffer from this problem.
 
            So how does Memory-Tech’s glass-substrate CD sound? I hate to rely on that old cliché in describing improved digital sound, but the glass CD sounded more “analog-like.” The glass CD was smoother, more spacious, more open, deeper, and had greater ease. By comparison, the polycarbonate CD was flatter and had less air between images; instrumental textures were less natural, sounding slightly synthetic by comparison. The polycarbonate CD by contrast overlaid timbres with a patina of glare. The difference was significant, but at 100 times the cost of a conventional CD, glass CDs will appeal to a very small minority of audiophiles.
 
            This additional experience of hearing differences between CDs with identical datastreams makes it clear to me that the quality of the signal at the photodetector affects the disc’s sound. I don’t know how variations in the eye pattern find their way into the analog output signal—the photodetector’s output undergoes a huge amount of decoding, error correction, de-interleaving, and other processes to extract the raw PCM audio data that are converted to analog by the DAC. Nonetheless, there’s no question in my mind that a disc’s optical properties, which directly influence the eye pattern, introduce an analog-like variability in sound. The mystery remains.
           
 
 
 

Comments

randy robinson -- Mon, 04/06/2009 - 20:54

Your description of how a cd is burned sounds like printing barcodes.  The various widths of bars and spaces represent numbers from 0 to 9.  On a UPC-A code, a single bar is .013".  Tolerance is plus or minus .002".  Therefore a printed  single bar of .011 or .015 yields the same result but in the case of a cd, it sounds different.
 

Atul Kanagat -- Tue, 04/07/2009 - 08:17

Is there anything in the manufacturing of the glass CD to suggest costs and price may come down at higher sales volume levels?

George S. Louis (not verified) -- Sun, 09/06/2009 - 23:57

 I'd like to hear what a glass CD sounds like after it's treated with UltraBit Platinum.

Robert Harley -- Tue, 04/07/2009 - 09:02

That's a good question regarding the prospect of prices coming down. I should have noted that some labels are charging $1000 for a disc rather than $2000. Still, I think the price will continue to be astronomical considering that they can't injection-mold glass.

Atul Kanagat -- Tue, 04/07/2009 - 09:28

Sounds to me like a new arena for pushing the envelope toward the "absolute sound". If the carrier material (polycarbonate, glass, etc) matters this much, perhaps our creative "industry" can innovate manufacturing friendly solutions using other materials or processes to get the sound like "glass" only not so expensive.

Atul Kanagat -- Tue, 04/07/2009 - 10:01

Sounds to me like a new arena for pushing the envelope toward the "absolute sound". If the carrier material (polycarbonate, glass, etc) matters this much, perhaps our creative "industry" can innovate manufacturing friendly solutions using other materials or processes to get the sound like "glass" only not so expensive.

Armando (not verified) -- Wed, 04/08/2009 - 05:42

 There are reasons. optically, why glass would work better. Lets start with the source, the laser.  Most Gaussian optics criteria for ”simple” lens design adhere to 1/e^2 width definition at the folac point – the CD pit surface. Theoretically this is fine, but lasers used in CD players have built in mechanisms to limit the effect of optical feedback which make lasers unstable.  CD lasers produce random primary wavelength hopping so statistically the back reflected wave is different the outgoing one. Or more directly, the lasing line going out is of different energy than the one back reflected to avoid relaxation oscillation or power modulations. These lasers are relatively broad band and are not very good for communications applications.
These types of lasers also have a phenomenon where the energy of extends past the gain wvage guide physically defined by the laser diode structure. This  produces considerable energy, usually  florescence , past the 1/e^2 spot size. So in optical designs with these problems, the spot size is defined by D4Sigma. The surrounding florescence produces an energy distribution flatter than Gaussian. The distribution also produces chromatic aberrations at the point of focus. None of this can be corrected without the use of expensive graded index optics.
This all means the spot size is bigger than theoretical.
Polycarbonate has characteristics not found in glass (I am going to assume fused silica is being used on the glass CD): First the index of refraction is much high in optical plastics than glass. Second, Polycarbonate is bi-refringent which can be manipulated by either mechanical stress or by paramagnetic susceptibility. In both cases the dipole moment is affected.  
Bi-refringence is the change in index of refraction.
Because the index of refraction is higher, the numerical aperture or divergence of the optical signal to and from is larger by Snell’s Law.  The critical angle , that is the angle which light gets trapped in the disk  decreases.
Large numerical aperture lenses are needed to focus the laser to a “diffraction limited” (perfect) spot in such a short distance. This type of lens also has a wide field of view – sometimes called photon vacuums.
The end result is polycarbonate will create a higher level of background optical noise some of which will have data form adjacent rows of pits. Also internal back reflection inside the CD will be higher with larger indices of refraction compounding the whole mess.
This might give light to why some of the CD tweaks of the past made audible differences.

yes it is anonymous (not verified) -- Wed, 04/08/2009 - 09:55

 interesting notion about the "sound" of glass etc. I´d attribute all of this "sound" to error correction and recovery due to polycarbonate´s non-uniformity in light refraction.
So why bother with a glass CD when you can just stick a wav of a flac on a usb stick/sd/mmc...? no, don´t tell me, glass is even superior to an eeprom inside a usb stick! of course, how didn´t I think of that.
Glass usb sticks anyone?

Robert Harley -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 10:37

My next experiment will be to rip both polycarbonate and glass CDs to my fanless, drive-less PC music server and listen for any differences.

Art (not verified) -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 12:11

It makes perfect sense that a CD made of glass would sound better if its index of refraction is closer to 1.0 than is that of polycarbonate. This is essentially the theory behind new formulations of polycarbonate called SHM and HQCD.  It is also the principle behind the Ultrabit Platinum CD treatment you recently reviewed.
Regarding jitter, Sony has introduced the Blu-Spec CD, cut with a blue laser to reduce variation in pit & land lengths.
And regarding internal reflection, I have had great success with Memrorex Black CD-Rs.  The active surface is jet black (label too - you'll need a silver or white pen to label these).  Try ripping a favorite CD to both a silver CD-R and a black one.  You will hear a significant difference in dynamics & detail.
My point is that all of these other technologies are currently available at reasonable cost.  Absurdly expensive (and fragile) glass CDs may not be at all necessary to experience similar - possibly even superior - sonic improvements.  What I'd really like to hear is a glass CD compared to one that is very accurately mastered onto a disc, using the least refractive polycarbonate, and a black surface, treated with Ultrabit.
I agree that glass CDs are intended for the Japanese market, where many audiophiles will buy anything that is sufficiantly exotic & expensive.
Robert, I know that you've tried Ultrabit.  Have you tried using black CD-Rs yet?  (Highly recommended!)  Have you listed to any SHM, HQCD, or Blu-Spec CDs.  If so, how do their sonic improvements compare to those of glass? 

Art (not verified) -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 12:26

One more thing... I've found that the sound quality of many (most) discs is greatly enhanced by simply washing them with warm water.  (A little mild soap can help, but water alone seems to do the trick.)  Of course, you must be careful to dry the disc with a soft cloth (microfiber is best, but a clean soft old t-shirt will do).
 
In my experience, this will increase dynamics and improve clarity...and these improvements are not subtle on most discs.  I've demonstrated this in blind tests for a number of friends & fellow audiophiles... ALL of whom were (underrstandably) skeptical, and ALL of whom were greatly surprised at the results.
 
My theory is that washing the discs removes residual chemicals and microsopic bits of polycarbonate that are left clinging to the surface by the manufacturing process.  I've found that washing provided very little or virtually no imrpovement on discs which are manufactured with very special care, notably Keith Johnson's Reference Recordings and JVC's XRCDs.  In contrast, the improvement seems greatest on more 'commercial' releases.
 
This is a great tweak to try.  It costs nothing, and anyone can test it.  If you're skeptical... join the club.  I was too... until I heard it.

Alan Watkins (not verified) -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 12:30

You're going to do that experiment double-blind, right?

Robert Harley -- Fri, 04/10/2009 - 09:58

We're not going to conduct blind testing. For the reason why, see the link to my Audio Engineering Society paper "The Role of Critical Listening in Evaluating Audio Equipment Quality" that is embedded in a recent essay on the subject:
 
http://www.avguide.com/forums/blind-listening-tests-are-flawed-editorial

Rich M (not verified) -- Sun, 05/10/2009 - 12:55

Thanks for your informative article.There have been two areas in CD playback that from my experience have yielded satisfactory results in minimizing glare: 
The mechanical aspect of the CD playback - applying a cleaner like Ultra Vivid to the disc has yielded consistent results. Additionally, trimming the edge of the CD using a CD lathe. It has been documented that modifying the angle of the edge of the CD minimizes the light reflecting back towards the laser but I have experienced better results by turning the disc over and cutting both sides of the disc in attempt to perfectly balance the CD. I found as long as enough material is taken off the edge to insure no out-of-roundness, the CD consistently sounds better. More recently, I bought a CD ionizer which also yields very consistent results. I will not spin a disc unless I trim the edge, clean it and Ionize it.  I also experienced improvement by putting a white Marigo vibration dot on the plastic laser. I cannot say that I have heard consistent results using a CD deguasser or applying CD ink to the edge of the disc. 
Electrical modifications yielding dramatic improvments in making the sound more analog -like can be achieved by utilizing gold Bybee filters inline to all rectified power feeds to every digital section as well as after the analog regulator stages. I originally owned a Wadia 270/27ix which, after converting every electrical circuit to being battery-fed, I recall the levels of difference on each circuit after changing to batteries. Interestingly, after very positive results in applying battery to the 27's clock, applying batteries to the analog output stage of the 27 removed a major amount of glare. I have since replaced that front end with a Krell 505 player where I have inserted Gold Bybees inline to all of the digital and analog circuits. The Bybee solution I suspect is better than the batteries in that somehow it eliminates even more noise in the system whereby not only does the glare and transient blur get virtually eliminated, but the out of phase or spacial information on a recording gets fully revealed. I like to reference Saberian Khatru  from Yes's  "Close to the Edge" CD where in the mix the bass and drums occupy the phantom center image and the two guitar parts appear 180 degrees left and right. Not until the second verse does the lead vocal get mixed as part of the center image.
Rich M. 
 

Chuck (not verified) -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 13:57

Is there a pure digital source & DAC that would the absolute pure sound?

Skeptik (not verified) -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 14:18

Ok, if bits were never misread, and the data streams are exactly the same like you said, where does any distortion (or any other difference come in)?  No matter how the laser gets diffracted (or whatever), if we end up decoding the same stream of bits why wouldn't we get the same result?    If the resulting data streams were different, I can totally understand.
Please explain the above (preferably beyond a feeling you got from a wink and a nudge).  What did I miss?

rmg (not verified) -- Thu, 04/09/2009 - 16:06

Two effects are responsible for the differences in sound - clock jitter & rereads.
 
CDs encode the data clock in the bit stream; reading the bits controls the rotational speed of the CD. CDs rotate faster at the beginning and slower at the end, since they start at the center and move out. In between, the CD's RPM is continuously changing. Slight variations in effective linear velocity introduces jitter in the bit stream, which in turn is reflected in the D/A conversion and resultant analog output signal.
 
The second problem is rereads. When comparing bits using a program, the disk may be reread multiple times if an error is detected. With audio playback, there is insufficient time to perform multiple rereads. CD error correction techniques take over, and they are not 100% accurate. As a result, two disks can compare as identical, but one can have much higher C1 or C2 error rates, requiring playback correction.
 
Some high end CD transports try to combat these problems by using higher speed drives and large memory buffers. The higher speed drives allow the CD to be read at 2 or 4 times playback speed, allowing more time for rereads if errors are encountered. Larger memory buffers allow the bits to be stored for significant time and then reclocked using an extremely accurate and stable clock source. 'Significant time' means long enough to perform enough rereads to never have to use C1 or C2 error correction. Some products even support word clock inputs, so the transport and D/A can share a common reference clock source.
 
Finally, with regard to black CDs, this phenomenon is also related to jitter and rereads. The ability to read pits and landings and where they begin and end is related to CD contrast. The higher the contrast ratio, the more accurate the first time read, and therefore less rereads and/or error correction is required. The sharper the distinction between pits and landings, the more accurate the extracted clock, and therefore the less jitter. Please note that not all visually black CDs have high contrast to the laser's spectrum.
 
For more information on this subject, see the following white paper:  http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/whitepaper/Saga_of_the_Black_CDs_v3.1.pdf
 
Roy 
 
 

Robert Harley -- Fri, 04/10/2009 - 09:56

I can't explain the mechanism behind this phenomenon, only that it exists.

clarkjohnsen (not verified) -- Sat, 04/11/2009 - 13:30

"I can't explain the mechanism behind this phenomenon, only that it exists."
I submit that several mechanisms may be in play, which tells us why no single one has been discovered. It's a System problem, susceptible only to the sort of rigorous systems analysis I myself used to perform on remote sensors (i.e. space cameras).
Two more things: If the CD is seen as more of an analog disc, and the retrieval system as analog too (up to a point), some of its errors can be better understood.
And I was once told by several engineers (former colleagues) who got the subcontract from Sony for optical design, that all Sony was interested in was cheap and easy manufacturability. My guys thought that what they had been made to come up with, sucked.
clark
 

Bob Ludwig (not verified) -- Mon, 04/13/2009 - 20:57

When we were doing testing for the Japanese team who were then trying to develop SACD for Sony, I once asked one of their visiting engineers from Japan how this "pit jitter" playback phenomenon could possibly "make it's way" through a Phase-Lock Loop and a buffering circuit.  He told me "no body knows, but it does."  
As a mastering engineer, unfortunately the client does not involve me in the quality control of the final CD pressing.  Occasionally I am asked to be the one to give final approval.  My findings have consistently shown that glass mastering at 1x is the way to go.  I don't recall ever getting a CD test pressing that was glass mastered at 4x that sounded OK.  Also, the pit developing stage is apparently hard to control super precisely and this pit depth seems to make a difference as well.  I can easily imagine the 1x glass cut CDs being compared to plastic samples glass mastered at 4x or higher to "highlight" the differences paying $1,985.51 more than a normal CD can make!
I would describe the "pit jitter" CD sound as being slightly brittle and sibilant, lacking in extreme low bass and suffering from a narrowed soundstage.  I once did a Sting album that was being independently quality controlled by a reputable company in Pacific Palisades, CA.  The woman there received 5 pressings from different territory pressing plants around the world.  She sent me copies and we each ranked them in perceived order or quality from not acceptable to OK.  We discovered we each ranked the 5 countries exactly in the same order!   Being able to discern 5 grades of difference was quite surprising to us.  Delivering the CD to the plant via Yellow-book DDP ROMs instead of the more usual "pre-master" CD seems to sound better more often.
I have always found that it is only the act of playing back the CD that makes a sonic difference...but that is what is at issue here.  It is also at this stage that digital cable differences can easily be heard between a CD player and an external DAC (keeping the impedance exactly at 110 ohms from connector to connector and all the inches in between seems to make a difference).  I have personally never heard a verifiable difference between the 44kHz 16 bit disc image on our computer from which the CDs were made and the "bad" CD pressing once it was cloned on to the computer and played off the computer with our atomic clock.
Bob Ludwig
Gateway Mastering & DVD
Portland, ME
www.gatewaymastering.com
 

Armando (not verified) -- Fri, 04/10/2009 - 01:24

 Washing CD's as mention might work only if mold release is used in the manufacture in the disc. I know they are manufacture in with a spin technique and whether the final optical flat is molded, need to be investigated.  Anti reflection coating are deposited on optical in layers of a 1/4 wavelength. If you vary from this it can actually degrade optical performance such as increased back reflection. 
Robert, Remember the paper you highlighted in one of the issues of SP regarding my laser lens spatial filter and how reducing optical background noise reduced optical phase modulation and hence produced a cleaner signal from the photo detector?  Maybe I should resurrect the spatial filter again!
 
In current optical communications systems, which have jitter on the order of picoseconds and demonstrated femtoseconds, all the technology push is in the optics. No amount of work in the electronics along can achieve this. And this is thru miles of fiber.
One thing in which CD’s differ is the amount or background like since the optical path is very short.
The black CD might just act as an absorber to increase optical background dependent SNR. Hard to believe, almost 20 years later and no real work has been done on the optics by high end companies.
It would seem to me, a hard drive would produce constant playback, meaning none of the magnetic fields or mechanical stresses or time dependent optical transparency of polycarbonate would come into play. What you record will always be reproduced, with whatever errors were included during the process.

pontificus (not verified) -- Fri, 04/10/2009 - 01:45

Ummmmmmm .... so why not just release the studio master as a $9 download file  ....  and then all these issues of jitter and birefringence (and indeed any other concern re getting the data off the CD) are all irrelevant.  
In any event, if one was genuinely concerned about quality, one wouldn't be listening to an old 44.1kHz 16 bit CD in the first place /// it would be a SACD ...  and then the issue would be about glass SACDs vs standard ones.

barondla1 (not verified) -- Fri, 04/10/2009 - 07:52

 Since the glass cd weighs more how do they know that doesn't affect the sound? Could be as important. Need more research.
  Would it be possible to make a nude cd? Put the silver layer on TOP (instead of under) of a very thin base. The laser wouldn't read thru anything. Any lens maker will tell you more glass elements, more problems to deal with - especially reflections. People would have to be very careful with it - just like the LP! The focus distance would be off. The lens focus mechanism might be able to compensate. Have seen lenses trying to focus when no cd is present, and the range was pretty amazing. Probably need gold layer so it wouldn't tarnish.
thanks
barondla

James359 (not verified) -- Fri, 04/10/2009 - 22:38

great article!
thanks, Robert.

Warren (not verified) -- Mon, 04/13/2009 - 16:53

Plasticizers used in manufacturing polycarbonate off-gas over time (like the constant film forming on your car windows -accelerated by heat acting on the interior plastics), leaching to the playback-side surface of the CD, resulting in a light-distorting barrier. The film's optical haziness acts to corrupt the laser light before it even enters the plastic substrate, generating light scatter which contributes to the chain of measurable and audible signal distortions amply discussed above. There is a simple, empirical field test you can perform to prove this: Simply hold up even a new-out-of-the-box (untreated and uncleaned) CD and look through it as a mirror out your window at objects off in the distance. Note the degree of clarity, then clean the CD with a widely reviewer-recommended CD cleaner that doesn't leave a residue. Now re-check the resolving clarity of the CD as a mirror. Yes, the CD jewel box interior is also off-gassing onto your CDs, 24/7. A warning: if you mess with cleaners that have too much of or too harsh a solvent additive, it may cause microscopic internal cracking/crazing of the polycarbonate over time and screw up the sound worse than not treating the disc at all. Do not use household glass cleaner products or isopropynol if you value your music collection. I hope some will find this helpful.

imickey503 (not verified) -- Thu, 04/16/2009 - 15:42

how to get your moneys worth from your CD's...  and get away from the problems with cd's playback....
make sure you have a server grade computer with ECC memorey.   ( I said Bullit proof)
1.   Buy a Plextor or Pinoner Or Nakamchi  CDROM.   Any one in the last 5 years will do.   Update most current firmware.   Firewire conection Perfered for ecternal conections.   Put in Vacume (airless) box. 
2.  Put cd in drive and use Exact Audio Copy to get every last BYTE (NOT BIT)  From that CD to the HDD. Do your Wichdoctor stuff to it before you put it in drive...  make sure you remove the air from the CD box
 
3.  Buy a external FIREWIRE DAC.   OR PRO SDI interface D/A convertor.   You could get a $3000 USB cable for a $100 A/Dac... But that;s Up to YOU....   Do all your usal VOODOO Cable TReatments...
 
4.   RUN CABLES TO AMP.    Control volume in the digital  domaine.  or from SDI box.  ELIMATE PREAMP :-)
Or add one, Or have a preamp,  OR Just weld the DA convertor to the amp Circuit board for NO LOSS conection, then put entire thing in FARADAY CAGE..       
 
Your conections to the amp are up to you.  But I am sure you got some something  in mind. 
 
Concentrate on all those $3000 USB cables you need to buy ..... Then visit the USB.org site and tell me how you can HEAR a diffrence...
 
Make digial backups of your cd.s      And keep a spare of site just like you would with your data.   
 
ENJOY...

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