Some new devices are pretty much a pain to set up and then once you’re done you wonder if it was worth it. That’s how I often feel when I set up a new PC – it takes a lot of work and then I have pretty much what I had before only a little faster. There are, however a few devices that take some effort to set up, but then you get something that seems worth it. The iPhone is like that. So is the Logitech Squeezebox Duet.
Let’s start with some background on what the Logitech Squeezebox Duet is. Because part of the problem with some interesting new devices is that they aren’t like what we’ve had or used before exactly. As a result, we lack the conceptual framework for what the device does and how it works that is so important to fluid and easy use.
Example: I had the experience over the Thanksgiving holiday of showing my Amazon Kindle to several relatives who saw it when I was using it. Usually 5-10 minutes of explanation followed. That’s because the Kindle is kind of like a laptop, only much smaller and with a purposefully slow reflective display, without a computer OS or browser, that uses the cell network instead of WiFi, is deeply integrated with Amazon’s services, but also gives access to a bunch of periodicals. If you really want to “get” the Kindle or any hip-but-complex new device or software (e.g. Digg, Facebook, Twitter) like this you’ll need an attention span of more than 15 seconds.
Anyway, back to the Squeezebox. The Squeeze Duet is designed to play computer and internet-derived music through your stereo or home theater or whatever you use for music playback. It consists of a two-way remote (i.e. it doesn’t just send signals, it also has a display that responds to what is going on with the system), a receiver that passes analog music into a free input on your “stereo”, and some web-based software.
The idea is this: you have multiple music sources accessible via PC. You would like to play them in another room (or rooms) through high quality speakers. And you would like this music to be easy to access via an intuitive remote.
So, you plug the Squeezebox Duet receiver into your stereo. It looks for your WiFi (802.11) network and then connects. The Squeezebox software on your home PC looks at iTunes (or whatever you use for digital music files) and lets you access that. It connects to the web and lets you use Pandora channels that you create. It sees Sirius satellite radio via the web and lets you tune to Sirius channels. Slacker, Rhapsody and a bunch of other services can also be used. In summary, this puts the Duet in the general category of "Media Extenders", that is devices that take a media source (e.g. your PC) and allow it to be output and controlled on another device (e.g. your stereo).
The Squeezebox remote has a small LCD screen that lets you choose which of these sources you want to use. It also lets you select what songs or channels you want to play. For example, just using the remote, I was able to create a Pandora “Christmas Music” channel. Pandora then began serving music, and I could tell Pandora whether I liked that song or didn’t like that song, aiding (one hopes) Pandora in selecting more tunes for me. I could also play specific albums or playlists from iTunes.
For $399, that’s pretty cool. Logitech, the Squeezbox Duet manufacturer, also has this setup in boombox form, obviating the need for a stereo. The Boombox is $299, which seems kind of weird (adding speakers and a small amp lowers the price?) until you see that the Duet remote has the LCD and better D/A converters.
This is nice stuff, but I need to briefly rant about the 15 step setup process. I do not EVER want to read instructions like “The number on the controller’s LCD screen is the last six numbers of the MAC address. You may confirm this number by looking at the label on the bottom of the receiver where the MAC address is printed.” Nope, not acceptable. I don’t want to program instructions in machine language, I don’t want to write a driver for my PC, and I don’t want to have to write down SSIDs. I want products that contain the entire computing power of the University of Michigan in 1967 (IBM System 360/67 serial #2) with way better software to do this stuff for me.
Comments
Yes, set up can be trying.
My review in TAS addresses this issue to some extent, but my review of the Sonos in the next issue compares these two products installations directly. Also unless you are real computer nerd making the Duet run sans computer is a genuine dilemma.
Steven Stone
Contributor to The Absolute Sound, EnjoytheMusic.com, Vintage Guitar Magazine, and other fine publications
Steven:
I have read your recent reviews on music streaming systems. I particularly like what I read about the Squeezebox Duet, but I haven't been able to listen to one working. I have a limited, and I mean limited, budget for a CD player. Is the Squeezebox that good that I will be able to get decent sound from my CDs stored in my Apple? I'll appreciate your comments.
Thank you and keep up the good work.
Edwin -- it isn't clear from your post if you need to send music wirelessly to your audio system. I ask because if you don't need to do that, you can certainly find CD/SACD/DVD players that will equal or outperform the Squeezebox for less money. Of course then you have to dig out the physical CD, but I'm not clear if that is a problem?
CEO and Editorial Director, Nextscreen LLC
Tom,
The previous version had top-notch components which in my view outperform budget CD players for sure.
The idea of Squeezebox is that users can rip their CDs to a hard disc in one of the lossless formats and play it back through the high fidelity Burr-Brown 24-bit DAC. Or get these flac files directly from a torrent friend. The new Squeezebox v3 is functionally and internally identical to this previous Squeezebox2, but features a brand new enclosure that has completely redesigned the unit for a more “stunning” look and a lower spec DAC. Instead of a geeky looking black box that does wonders, the unit now has the look of a polished product that can go head to head with the big boys. But, as stated by Steven, where budgets are small, he still would not find a better component setup compared to budget CD players. And.....he never need to buy CDs anymore and can flac existing ones via his PC CD drive.
My experience to date... I play more of my old collection than ever before, why? was it lazyness or should I say....thanks to the convenience of Squeezebox (and surely similar systems will have the same effect). Gartner predicts: in 2010 music CD manufacturers will have no more future business and need to step into digital delivery asap if they are already not too late.
I certainly agree that the functionality of the Squeezebox is great, as I said in my original blog. And the sound is pretty darn good. But, especially if you take SACD into account, I think you can save money and get equivalent or better sound. The sonic difference isn't huge, however, and anyone who likes the Squeezebox functionality shouldn't be worried that the sound is bad or even mediocre for the money. Put another way, it would be easy to do worse than the Squeezebox with a cheaper CD player.
CEO and Editorial Director, Nextscreen LLC
Squeezebox III (Cassic) is easily able to hold its own with a nice CD player. Clean and musical in the midrange and bass. I'm too old to tell you if it can make your skin crawl like a live drum set can. Mine keeps company with a CJ PV-1, Gas Ampzilla, and Dhalquist DQ-10 and is worthy of that company. If you use FLAC or Apple Lossless encoding you will be happy.
Be aware that Apple Lossless is not handled as lossless by the Squeezebox and sounds pretty bad (squeezebox connected to digital input of my wadia 861SE). So with 400GByte of Apple Lossless, Squeezebox is nothing for me.
Be aware that Apple Lossless is not handled as lossless by the Squeezebox and sounds pretty bad (squeezebox connected to digital input of my wadia 861SE). So with 400GByte of Apple Lossless, Squeezebox is nothing for me.
I have 2 Squeezebox 3s, and have been using them for over a year. I must admit that the host software (Squeezecenter) is a little daunting (but much simpler than programming the IBM 360/67 at Michigan in 1967, because I was doing that). The biggest problem I had was the DAC capabilities of the Squeezebox (48kHz 24-bit). I had a bunch of vinyl ripped into 96kHz 24-bit that I had to downconvert so it would play on the Squeezebox (I was informed that if I had spent the $2k for the Transporter, I wouldn't have had this problem).
I am curious about Menno's comment, however. What does the Squeezebox do to Apple Lossless?
I believe the Squeeze Center software converts Apple Lossless to FLAC and sends the FLAC file to the Duet or Squeezbox receiver.
I have a general question about the setup. I have a computer and not happy with the sound when I directly hooked up the stereo through the speaker port. I am looking for a better D/A converter. I know this squeezebox duet can handle the job. I wonder if I actually need the duet remote if I can control what the iTunes play through the iPhone or iTouch. Thanks for your help
Through SqueezeCenter settings, you can controal how Apple Lossless gets streamed to to the Duet. It can be as FLAC, mp3, or WAV. You might check and make sure that you're not getting lower quality mp3. Also, go to Player Settings > Audio, and make sure that Bitrate Limiting isn't enabled.
(Sorry Tom, but this is still a computer software product!)
Thanks Corbey. I have MP3 disabled for all formats and no bitrate limiting. I guess my Apple Lossless is being converted to WAV or FLAC (both lossless formats, anyway, so no degradation there).
mac based (apple lossless files) and using 3 apple express boxes to stream music to three stereo systems throughout the house using the boxes internal d/a conversion. advantage of playing to several rooms at once for parties or general listening on the move. friends can bring laptops and play their itunes files also. occasional drop out problems. using hybrid preamp, tube amp and proac response2 with velodyne sub...no external d/a converted yet...for main listening. is the duet capable of same and improving sound quality? Can I play pandora (and sirius) to the apple wireless system (itunes only?).
mac based (apple lossless files) and using 3 apple express boxes to stream music to three stereo systems throughout the house using the boxes internal d/a conversion. advantage of playing to several rooms at once for parties or general listening on the move. friends can bring laptops and play their itunes files also. occasional drop out problems. using hybrid preamp, tube amp and proac response2 with velodyne sub...no external d/a converted yet...for main listening. is the duet capable of same and improving sound quality? Can I play pandora (and sirius) to the apple wireless system (itunes only?).
I have a V2 SB that has had the Red Wine Audio analog and digital mod. Those mods and the conversion to battery I will guarantee you will lay waste to any 1000 CD player in quality of sound never mind the convenience. The CD is dead, dead, dead. No resurection like vinyl...I mean DEAD.