More Contenders for Best of Show, Part Three: The Final Bunch

Posted by: Jonathan Valin at 5:05 pm, January 12th, 2010

Although I liked the sound of Marten loudspeakers in the past, they always seemed like Swedish versions of Kharmas, and since Kharma was then still active in the U.S. market I saw little reason to pick the copies ahead of the originals. Now, with Kharma apparently out of the picture in the States, paying more attention to Marten makes better sense, and this year I am very glad I did.

 

 
I’ll begin with the $54k Marten Coltrane Soprano—a handsome two-way floorstander with two laser-vented Accuton ceramic mid/bass drivers and a Jantzen Audio diamond tweeter, driven (beautifully) by Engström’s great-sounding $90k Lars amplifier (shown in the first photo). I threw a toughie at the Soprano to begin: “Mario Lanza in London.” I’m not so sure that any two-way Kharma I’ve heard could’ve handled this extremely challenging disc, which can oh-so-easily turn to pure harsh shoutiness if amp or speaker doesn’t have the dynamic range necessary to handle such a very dynamic recording. Here, Lanza’s tenor simply soared—a superb performance from these little Swedish meatballs. The Sopranos had all the neutrality, focus, and boxlessness of a great Kharma, without the slight whiteness and overwound dynamics of certain Kharmas. But wait, as they say on late-night TV ads, there’s more.
 

 
A few doors down I heard the $165k Marten Coltrane Memento driven by Vitus electronics and fed by a super-sounding Bergmann turntable with air-bearing straight-line-tracking arm, air-bearing platter, and air-bearing feet. This large ceramic/diamond-driver multiway was a little warmer in balance than the smaller Soprano, but just as natural, with simply superb focus and resolution. Both speakers go to show that a dark tonal balance isn’t a prerequisite of high-end loudspeakers; both were extremely realistic on the music I played; both are in the running for BOS.
 

 
Also in the running, as it always is, is MBL’s omnidirectional 101 E Mk II, which was terrific—as it always is. Three-D, boxless, beautiful in tone color, dynamic as all get-out, the 101s simply disappear like nothing else—and sound like nothing else. If there is a speaker out there that is more quintessentially fun to listen to…well, point me to it. The 101s may have been a little bright in the upper mids (as MBLs tend to be), but when music sounds this freed-up, colorful, and exciting, who cares? Marvelous.
 
GamuT showed exceptionally well again at CES, this time with its $45k S-7—a three-way floorstander with ScanSpeak drivers and stacked birch-ply cabinet. Listening to Joan Baez’s “Gospel Ship” I was reminded of just how neutral and natural (no darkness here) these GamuT numbers can sound. If anything the S-7s were a little warmer and more gemütlich than the bigger GamuTs I heard last year, demonstrating lifelike excellence on voice and guitar. The S-7s were equally natural on the Lutoslawski Concerto for Orchestra. Though the S-7’s bass did not go as deep as the bigger GamuTs, it was very very good--taut and clear with excellent transient response. Another contender.
 
A speaker I liked at RMAF—the $32k Focal Scalas—I liked again at CES. Driven by some of my favorite electronics—those marvelous Marantz 9 clones, the Airtight ATM-3s—the Scalas made Joanie and her guitar sound both beautiful AND realistic on “Gospel Ship” and “House Carpenter.” The sound here was not quite as “you-are-there” present as, oh, that of the Vandy 7s, but low-level resolution and dynamic scale were extraordinary for a cone speaker.
 
Lumen-White’s $35k, ceramic-driver-equipped, three-way Artisan, driven by Ayon electronics, may not make the final cut, but I simply have to note if the BOS awards came down to the sound on just one track the Artisan would sweep the field. That is how extraordinarily realistic it sounded on the jaunty Sinatra/Martin/Crosby number “Style.” (Here, BTW, is another speaker that did not sound “hi-fi dark” in balance; it was a model of neutrality.)
 

 
Yet another speaker that surprised and impressed me last year surprised and impressed me even more this. I still don’t quite understand how a speaker with a glass cabinet and no internal damping doesn’t ring like a porcelain bell, but hearing is believing, and the $60k Crystal Cable Arabesques—three-driver, two-way, ribbon/sliced-paper cone in absolutely gorgeous glass enclosures—sounded even better than they did in 2009. They managed to sound lovely, accurate, and realistic on Captain Luke’s difficult-to-reproduce bass-baritone (which many speakers tend to slant toward the bass side, making him sound darker than he should, or toward the baritone side, making his voice lighter-weight than it is), and absolutely superb on Guitar Gabriel’s “Keys to the Highway.” If there was a theme to this year’s show, it might have been improvements, for here is yet another impressive example of a speaker that sounded better than it had before.
 

 
Avalon, whose speakers I have so often liked in the past, introduced its new $49k Time mulitway floorstander in Vegas, driven by Rowland amplification. The presentation was dark (which is not typical of Avalon), big (which is), and gorgeous (ditto), with exceptionally lifelike presence. Yeah, Captain Luke sounded a bit more like a bass than a bass-baritone, but, my goodness, what a beautiful sound. The Time also had fabulous bass definition, impact, extension, and articulation, which made Cut 7 of "The International" a standout in a show during which I had heard this track sound superb on several other speakers.  
 

 
CES proved to be another very strong showing for, perhaps, the most beautiful and certainly among the most expensive loudspeakers, Perfect8's $375k (yup, you're reading that right) The Force--a ribbon-cone hybrid dipole with a glass baffle, glass sub, and solid-gold wiring. The Force did a masterful job with Joan Baez's "Pretty Boy Floyd" (the Woody Guthrie song that ends with one of the truly great morals in all contemporary folk songs: "As through this world I've wandered I've seen lots of funny men; some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen"). Joanie and guitar sounded exceptionally natural, with a little more color and body than they had through last year's Force. (Apparently the differences are due to improved magnets and crossover.) The speakers were also superb on a very dynamic piano recording that I play now and then to test for low-end dynamics. The thing is filled with crashing fortes and huge deep sostenutos, and The Force handled them superbly well, with only a hint of lightness in the very bottom. This is a fascinating loudspeaker.
 
I can’t say that the $39k Gershman Black Swans, driven (as usual) by wonderful VAC electronics, sounded “improved.” They merely sounded their usual impressive great. The Swans are simply wonderfully well-balanced, highly musical loudspeakers, with rich, liquid timbres, excellent bass, high resolution, and superior dynamics. What’s not to like? A really good speaker at a really good price.
 

 
For the finish I’ve saved the $27k Wilson Audio Sasha W/P multiway floorstander. Here’s an instance where that theme of improvements was, perhaps, as excitingly expressed as it was in the YG room. I hadn’t been bowled over by the Sasha at RMAF, but in Vegas, driven superbly by Zanden electronics and fed by an absolutely marvelous-sounding Grand Prix turntable, the Sasha was a top-rank Best of Show contender. Let me, once again, consult my notes (well, memos to me—notes to you). Here are the very words I wrote: “Light, nimble, wonderful air and speed and resolution. Fantastic sound!” And so it was on everything I played. I do not know, at this point, whom I will award Best of Show, too, but the Sasha is definitely going to be in the hunt and if it doesn’t win will certainly be a prime runner-up.

Comments

John Patrick (not verified) -- Tue, 01/12/2010 - 18:12

What about the new EgglestonWorks Savoy Signature. Did you have a chance to hear it?

Jonathan Valin -- Tue, 01/12/2010 - 22:50

I did. Though they didn't make the cut for this abbreviated BOS list, I thought they were one of the better sounds at the show. Here's what I wrote in my notepad: "The Savoy Signatures had a nice balance--one of those big speakers that despite its size and reach retains a fair measure of the neutrality, speed, and coherence of a two-way. An interesting contender."

HypeSmasher (not verified) -- Tue, 01/12/2010 - 23:46

JV:

You might have been scooped. Looks like Mikey is scheduled to review the Q5 for Sphile.

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 00:06

Hype,

I heard Michael might review the Q5s for Stereophile. Since I can now confirm that I will be reviewing the Q5 in TAS, it should make for an interesting cross-comparison.

JV

HypeSmasher (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:11

Looking forward to it. I'm STILL baffled by the Atkinson V3 review.

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:34

Join the crowd.

HypeSmasher (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:09

Ok, you gave me my first chuckle of the day. I needed that. FYI, on the SPhile blog JVS was going crazy over the Q5's midrange. I mean REALLY going nuts. He also did say the mids dominated the room. But his overall impression was hugely positive.

Sam -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:52

Can someone elaborate on Atkinsons review of the Magico V3? My overall take was that he didn't think it was out of this world yet still very good and a Class A rating. But what else? do you guys think it was the room or associated equipment or what that took you by surprise or baffled you?

HypeSmasher (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:19

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/508mag/index.html#

Sam -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:28

..........and whats so baffling....to you?

HypeSmasher (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 15:06

No Comparisons with speakers in same price class? Too polite? Vivid? Which one? Fussy about amps? Huh? He tried it with two, how can you determine its fussy? It was like reading an autopsy. Very clinical.

audiocrack (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:04

JV, did you have a chance to listen to the various Tidal loudspeakers? I am particular interested in how the Tidal Sunray sounded with - if I remember correctly - Balabo electronics that you are familiar with. Best regards

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 01:56

audiocrack (odd moniker),

Yes, I did hear the $170k Tidal Sunrays with BAlabo electronics. It's an intriguing speaker--a high-pass-filtered, three-driver (two 7" Accuton black-ceramic mid/woofs and a 1.2" Accuton black-diamond tweeter) two-way with bass modules on top and bottom housing four 9" Accuton black-ceramic woofers. The main modules play from 40Hz-60kHz; the ported, side-firing woofers augment the mains in the bass. Just as aesthetic objects, the Sunrays are very beautiful.

Sonically, the results were mostly positive. On cuts from "Came So Far," the speakers sounded a little dark but very beautiful, with gorgeous harmonics on the guitar (although that tweeter called a little attention to itself on fortes). Center focus was a bit off, as if there were a phase issue somewhere in the system. "Keys to the Highway" sounded very detailed and lovely, but Guitar Gabriel's gravelly voice was not as realistic as I've heard it sound. However, the speaker did a bang-up job on my tough Mario Lanza disc, with superb reproduction of dynamics. It also pulled off a pretty good disappearing act for a large speaker.

Jon

audiocrack (not verified) -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 10:10

Thanks Jonathan. Your reaction seems to indicate that the room conditions were far from ideal. I listened to quite some of the more impressive speaker systems in the world (e.g. Wilson, Avalon, Infinity, Genesis, Marten, DaVinci Virtu) and I think the Sunray belongs to the very best. The interaction between the (ceramic) midrange and the (diamond accuton) highs of these speakers is one of the strong points of the Sunray. Another is that Tidal somehow managed (I suppose the filtering with inter alia Duelund components has a lot to do with this) to eliminate the sometimes peculiar/unpleasant sound of the ceramics drivers. I am not familiar with the Balabo electronics and the cables that were being used. Thanks again for your reply.

Suteetat -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:21

I am looking forward to read your review of Q5. It will be interesting to hear how it compares to M5. Also I would like to see what MF has to say about Q5 vs his Maxx III.

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 03:46

Suteetat,

It should give readers two quite distinctively different ways of looking at this blackbird.

Michael has had plenty of experience with Wilsons; I've had the same with Magicos. And both of us have heard LOTS of other stuff.

Jon

kristian (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 09:27

Mårten Design is Swedish, not Danish. Separate countries....

Best,
Kristian

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:50

Oops. I'll fix it! Förlåt mig!

bherlihy -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 17:38

Pretty sure Kharma was Danish, probably what you were thinking of

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 19:06

No. Kharma is Dutch. I just confused Denmark with Sweden.

Kenneth (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:35

Though Sweden and Denmark are nabo countries, an international reviewer should know the difference ;-) Both Sweden and especially Denmark have made some pretty remarkable products over time, and the difference should therefore be obvious.
Many americans aren't aware of this, but Denmark actually isn't a city in Sweden ;-)
Mårten Design is Swedish!

Kenneth (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:35

Though Sweden and Denmark are nabo countries, an international reviewer should know the difference ;-) Both Sweden and especially Denmark have made some pretty remarkable products over time, and the difference should therefore be obvious.
Many americans aren't aware of this, but Denmark actually isn't a city in Sweden ;-)
Mårten Design is Swedish!

jmslaw (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 10:48

Jonathan:

I know you are a big fan of Soundlab. Did you get a chance to hear the Majestics? If so, how do they compare with the M-1s, with which you have such familiarity?

GJ (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 11:21

What about the Lamm/ Wilson MAXX3's?

I thought they were by far better sounding than any of the others mentioned.

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:21

GJ,

When I heard the Lamm ML-3/Wilson Maxx 3 system, it was definitely a mixed bag. On "A Little Loving" it sounded a bit piercing on crescendos and the electric bass seemed a little thick, although it had very good transients on drum strokes. However, on "Rainy Night in You Know Where" and "Keys to the Highway" it was "the most realistic yet" (the very words I wrote in my notepad). It was also terrific on Joan Baez, but then fell down a bit on the Passacaglia from Lutoslawski's Concerto for Orchestra, where it wanted a bit of dynamic range and bass and transient speed on those plucked doublebasses.I honestly don't know what was going on, but on larger-scale stuff it seemed a little less convincing than on smaller-scale stuff.

This said, let me point out that I heard the Lamm/Wilson system rather early on the first day of the show. Later in the show I ran into Robert who told me that the Lamm/Wilson was sounding uniformly great. I made a mental note to return to the room to re-audition the system (just as I did with the Technical Brain/Magico Q5s), but somehow I got sidetracked and never got back to Room 35-307. Thus, I think you have to take my comments with a grain of salt. Well, I think you should take all my comments with a grain of salt--and perhaps a grain of aspirin--but in this case I'm pretty sure I didn't get to hear the Lamm/Wilson system at its best. This same combo was my runner-up for Best Sound of Show at last year's CES--a very close second to the Magico M5/Soulution combo. I can't imagine why it should've sounded any less impressive this year, and, judging by what Robert told me, once it got settled and tweaked in it didn't sound less impressive; it apparently sounded marvelous.

Jon

GJ (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 18:59

The 2 times I visited the Q5 room (Friday) if you weren't in the center seat the system sounded very channel skewed.
Actually, the off axis performance was horrible.....
Dead center they were quite nice, image height wasn't great, depth was OK and side to side was pretty much from speaker to speaker with no sense of acoustical side dimension.
Based on reputation, I'd have to call it room issues.

On the other hand, the Lamm/ MAXX system just disappeared. On axis, off axis, front row, back row it sounded great. And the image height was perfect....

Cemil Gandur -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 06:21

I had the opposite experience: I thought the Maxx 3 with the Lamms sounded fabulous and I didn't like the Sashas at all. Likely we went on different days.

Tenor fan (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:00

Jon,

as Kenneth Englund said, Marten and Engstrom Lars are from Sweden and Vitus Audio is Danish.

Best,

Tenor fan

Tenor fan (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:00

Jon,

as Kenneth Englund said, Marten and Engstrom Lars are from Sweden and Vitus Audio is Danish.

Best,

Tenor fan

AlainB (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 12:45

".. JVS was going crazy over the Q5's midrange"

Rightly so. The Q5 were by far the best sound I have heard at the show. The Q is a step further towards the truth then even the M5. That may disappoint some audiophiles who are looking for fireworks even in a Shubert quartet.

pconley2 (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:45

Jon: In what format do you take your own music to these shows, do you take all of the CDs and LP's or do you cut your own CD's, put the music on a USB Thumb Drive? I am curious about how you prepare the music that you take to these shows--Phil

pconley2 (not verified) -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:45

Jon: In what format do you take your own music to these shows, do you take all of the CDs and LP's or do you cut your own CD's, put the music on a USB Thumb Drive? I am curious about how you prepare the music that you take to these shows--Phil

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 13:52

Poonley,

I take actual LPs, CDs, snd SACDs.

Jon

Paul Bolin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:14

I believe that the Avalon Time is $49K/pair. They sounded quite marvelous in both rooms in which I heard them. I totally agree re: the Zanden/Grand Prix/Sasha room - so naturally detailed and relaxing!

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:39

Thanks, Paul, for the correction. Sometimes I can't read my own goddamn handwriting. If they didn't make the showrooms so friggin' dark, I might be able to write more legibly.

Paul Bolin -- Wed, 01/13/2010 - 14:57

LOL! Isn't that the truth? One needed radar to navigate that Magico room upstairs - pitch black with a few pinpoint spots on the speakers. Never did figure out what electronics were in that room.

niner -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 02:59

Hi Jon,

Seems like everyone's upping the bar, irrespective of the methodology employed. Thanks for the reports Jon. Hugely informative and actually very encouraging on the back of what must have been a tough year for a lot of manufacturers.

Just wondering if you got to hear John Devore's new speakers, the Orangutan?

And thanks for the again reporting on the Granada's.

Cheers!

Jonathan Valin -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 13:30

Niner,

Hey, man! Thanks for the kind words.

It HAS been a tough year for the industry. Indeed, a friend just wrote me that while attendance at CES was up a few thousand, exhibitors were down by 5% compared to last year (according to CEA's own figures). The show was certainly upbeat, but, as my friend noted, these are the guys who survived last year.

Unfortunately I didn't get to hear Devore's speakers. (I had my hands full with speakers above $25k.)

The Granadas are special--like The Nordic Tones, a sign of things to come, I think.

Happy New Year to you!

Jon

Paul Bolin -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 14:55

I am curious about your comments on the Granadas. I listened to them with one of my own LPs (Fistoulari/Concertgebouw, Swan Lake - Original London/Decca blueback British press) and the sound of the trumpets was decidedly rather digestive and kazoo-like. The strings also sounded "off" somehow. Maybe it's me missing something or the LP - but this disc has sounded fabulous on every other system I've played it on over the last ten-plus years.

The Nordic Tones - now there is a speaker system! I would have happily sat in the Electrocompaniet room all Sunday afternoon had reportorial duty not been calling. That is an extraordinarily promising loudspeaker.

Cheers,

Paul

Jonathan Valin -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 20:17

Paul,

I listened to several LPs on the Granadas and thought they sounded exceptionally neutral and natural.

Can't explain your trumpet-into-kazoos incident. Baez certainly sounded like Baez when I listened. As I said, I missed a LITTLE (and I mean, a little) tremolo on her voice in a certain passage, but I chalked this up to the room or the electronics. I guess it could've been the DSP, although I gotta say that at previous shows that DSP wasn't taking away ANY details, which is exactly why I was so astonished to learn that the Granadas were digitally eq'ing drivers, sources, and room.

I agree with you about the merits of The Nordic Tones, which I'm slated to review.

Jon

niner -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 18:14

Hey Jon,

Yeah, Happy New Year to you indeed! Frankly, if last year is anything to go by, then kind words would certainly seem an appropriate beginning for a new one.

I forgot you were only looking at the $25K and up contenders... I don't know if it's just me, but it seems that there could be two big shifts for the industry this year. As a wholly speculative guess, I'm gonna risk what little credibility I (may or may not) have and say that musicality and audiophile sonics will become less and less the diametrically opposed entities they used to be; and that less-than-state-of-the-art offerings will continue the trend of ridiculous value-for-money for those whose budgets are for whatever reason, er, modest.

I've been astounded in the last year how much enjoyment can be found in moderately priced gear that engages the emotions without offending the intellect. A lot of it coming from smaller manufacturers who seem to be employing a "do one thing, do it well" ethos.

But then again, I've been equally amazed by how the state-of-the-art envelope has also been pushed. I probably heard the best ever music reproduction last year, most of it, interestingly enough, from vinyl.

Let's hope for everybody's sake 2010 is a year for open-minded progression (sonically, personally and politically) and greater appreciation of this incredible art form captured for posterity in grooves and bits - played back via wire and metal and carbon fiber and wood.

Cheers to you!

dathlaker (not verified) -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 16:13

No comments about the Vandersteen 7's and Ayre equipment....?

Didn't think so.....

Jonathan Valin -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 20:07

See my reply to John below.

stefansuk (not verified) -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 17:54

all such shows:

boring and waste of time.
enjoy some music at home.

Jonathan Valin -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 20:07

Yeah...rotten old world.

Have another drink, Stefan. Things'll look brighter.

JohnP (not verified) -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 19:32

What about Vandersteen's new ultra high end speaker with custom carbon tweeters & other drivers. Surely, it's worth covering?

Jonathan Valin -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 20:04

JohnP,

Surely, it is and surely it was (although I'd rather you didn't call me Shirley). See Part II of my on-line show report at http://www.avguide.com/blog/more-contenders-best-show-part-two-usual-and....

JV

Halcro -- Thu, 01/14/2010 - 22:34

Paul,
There certainly is nothing 'wrong' with the LP Fistoulari/Concertgebouw, Swan Lake - Original London/Decca blueback British press)
It is possibly one of the finest recreations of the 'real' sound of a full symphony orchestra recorded to disc without any 'Hi-Fi' pretensions or manipulations.
This disc has flown under the radar for 30 years but is treasured by a few appreciative and discerning listeners.

Regards
Henry

Paul Bolin -- Fri, 01/15/2010 - 09:49

I appreciate your comments, Henry. I've been using this LP as a reference for years for just the reasons you describe. To me, it is one of the most lifelike hall sounds ever captured on any recording medium. Fortunately, it also presents one of the world's great orchestras and a conductor completely simpatico with the music. Never been able to understand why this record hasn't ascended to the leve of the all time classics.

Oh well.

Cheers,

Paul

bwright -- Fri, 01/15/2010 - 02:38

Hi Jon,

I was there as well, and happened to be outside the Magico room late on Saturday when you conducted your demo (and nice Bell & Ross, by the way!). I listened to the rest of the reel after you walked out, and have to say the midrange and treble were incredibly well integrated, but they seemed to be missing the lower octaves of the bass. Perhaps a sub was part of the original equation, or the recording itself was lean on the low end. That minor quibble aside, they sounded beautiful.

As for my own favorites, you're absolutely right about the Crystal Cable Arabesques - exactly as described. I thought the Mystere room sponsored by Upscale Audio was tremendous - not to mention Nola's suite, featuring the Metro Grand Reference speakers. Joseph Audio's Pearls were clarity and bass incarnate. And the Usher room featuring the Dancer Mini-One Diamond was impressive as well. I could live with any of those systems, and never look back.

High points for me - meeting Steve Hoffman and Tim De Paravicini. I used Steve's Paul McCartney remasters as my rock demo discs during the show (along with Matthew Sweet's "Girlfriend" Deluxe Edition - underrated but brilliant sound production, and track 1 features stunning electric guitar). I had the chance to thank him in person. And I used to live in Japan around the same time Tim was working there, so we had a chance to reminisce outside the Magico room. Both were exceedingly kind to this audio fan.

Did you check out the darTZeel room over at T.H.E.? Incredible! They were nice enough to remove their tasteful jazz LP, and endured my request for the DCC CD title track from "Venus and Mars." The Reference 3A suite featured the new EMM Labs SACD player spinning Nina Simone through the Grand Veenas, another top contender. And the best surprise - Soundsmith's room, which was a revelation. I sat down and found myself drawn into the music, which was warm and inviting through their standmount speakers and wood-cased amplification.

And Harry's talk on Saturday evening was great fun - informative and illuminating.

jacques_racine@... -- Fri, 01/15/2010 - 10:24

Hello JV, I am new here but not new to high-end... Your level of engagement with the audio community has convinced me to jump in....

I have seen nothing about the new Amadis from Verity Audio. AFAIK the speaker was designed as a replacement for the Parsifal Ovation (which I used to own...) but the Verity was not able to produce the Amadis at the same price level. Paired with Nagra (I have a MPA) the Parsifal were often selected "Best of Show".... Did you get to hear/see the Amadis? Thanks

Jonathan Valin -- Fri, 01/15/2010 - 21:02

Jacques,

Unfortunately I did not hear the Verity Amadis. I really had my hands full at the Venetian, where practically every room housed a speaker in my "category." I'm sorry I missed this one. I will make a genuine effort to hear the Verities at RMAF in the fall.

Jon

zead (not verified) -- Mon, 01/18/2010 - 10:06

JV....spill the beans......BOS
Is it VANDY or is YG

Jonathan Valin -- Tue, 01/19/2010 - 00:40

zead,

You'll have to wait!

Jon

bherlihy -- Wed, 01/27/2010 - 01:57

JV, i didn't see you in the GEC round up or a BoS coming out. is this to wait for publication (wasn't in the latest). interested to hear more about the Soulution room vs. Q5 room which you suggested would be coming in your full CES report.

Jonathan Valin -- Wed, 01/27/2010 - 09:28

b,

My BOS was supposed to appear in the GEC roundup; apparently there was a glitch. In any event, it will certainly be in Issue 202 of TAS. However, I don't think I'll have anything more to say about the M5/Soulution vs. the Q5/Technical Brain (or Soulution or BAlabo) on-line or in print until after I've auditioned the Q5 at length in my listening room. To use what I heard at the show as the sole basis for comment is not fair to either speaker, to Magico, or to the manufacturers of these great amps and preamps.

Hang in there. Once I get the Q5s for review (assuming I DO get the Q5s for review), I'll do my best to ask and answer all questions about how they compare to and contrast with the other great speakers I've heard from Magico and other manufacturers; indeed I am very curious about the answers to these questions myself.

Jon

mee_too -- Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:17

edited (doubleposted initially), I couldn't find the "delete" option

mee_too -- Sun, 07/04/2010 - 08:13

Jonathan, you said that MBL MKII were "colorful", what did you mean by that? What colour? The colour of the music itself or a colour added by the speakers?
And what can you say about the MBL's bass? Some say that is muddy and it lacks speed (especially on quick double drum) and not so natural because of the box port and they don't have the tightness of a Marten Coltrane, for example. And some say that the detail retreival level is not quite good, aswell... 

Jonathan Valin -- Sun, 07/04/2010 - 15:28

 mee, too,
 
You know "some" folks say lots of things. (I think "some" may be related to the "they" that Old Man Sykes talks scornfully about in The Wild Bunch.)  In my experience MBL 101 E bass is very well-defnined, very deep-reaching, and as dynamic as (perhaps more dynamic than) that of any loudspeaker I've heard, particularly in the mid-to-low bass. Indeed, the MBL's bass response is, when the 101 E is driven at its best, one of the great virtues of the loudspeaker. Although I would never call the 101 E's bass "muddy," I would grant that it is not as 'tight" or as clean as sealed-box bass can be and I would also grant that it takes A LOT of power (i.e., it takes an MBL 9011) to make the 101 E's bass sound as hair-raisingly exciting and as stunningly realistic as I've heard it sound.
 
MBL recently modified its bass driver/enclosure to lower distortion. Frankly, I think this mod killed some of the excitement that made the original 101 E such a treat.
 
By "colorful" I think I meant dense in tone color. As for coloration itself...the MBL loudspeakers are among the flattest-measuring speakers I've ever tested (second in this regard, and then only by a hair or two, to the paradigmatic Magico M5); however, because they are omnidirectional and literally use room boundaries to create their omni effect, the room (its shape, composition, furnishing) can have more of an effect on the sound than it may have with direct-radiating or controlled-dispersion speakers. I think one reason the MBLs sound best at loud levels is because they are more evenly and effectively pressurizing the entire room at loud levels (rather than selectively pressurizing it at lower levels), and thereby disguising any "comb-filtering" effects that may pop up at lower volumes by room/speaker.
 
None of this means that the Marten speakers don't have their own sets of virtues, BTW.
 
Jon